Pentagon releases UFO footage

I was binge-listening to youtube videos on quantum physics today and the more I learn about quantum entanglement, the more I think our understanding of how the universe works is grossly incomplete.

I'm not saying we have been visited by extra terrestrials. I'm just saying that we may be "doing it the hard way" when it comes to traversing space.
 
Twinz said:
I was binge-listening to youtube videos on quantum physics today and the more I learn about quantum entanglement, the more I think our understanding of how the universe works is grossly incomplete.

I'm not saying we have been visited by extra terrestrials. I'm just saying that we may be "doing it the hard way" when it comes to traversing space.
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There might not be an easier way. It's hopeful to think that an easier way is hidden amongst the things we don't yet know, but I'm not aware of any good reason to think it is. The understanding is definitely seriously incomplete. Quantum mechanics and relativity both appear to be right but they don't match up, so an important chunk of the puzzle is still missing.
 
Raikiri said:
This is generally my argument against my Dad, who is a bit of a UFO nut. If they're advanced enough to travel FTL then I don't think our rinky-dink radar systems are going to be able to track them. [..]
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A joke from Douglas Adams covers that, though I stress it was a joke. The explanation is that bored and/or drunk youths from civilisations with technology far in advance of ours travel to Earth and deliberately let themselves be detected as part of them messing with the primitives (i.e. us) for jollies.
 
Perhaps they have an inter planetary speed and a cruising speed once inside a planets atmosphere to reduce the risk of crashing.

or

They don't travel far as such but traverse dimensions. Maybe they inhabit earth in a different parallel universe and visit our one to observe their experiment.
 
Twinz said:
I was binge-listening to youtube videos on quantum physics today and the more I learn about quantum entanglement, the more I think our understanding of how the universe works is grossly incomplete.

I'm not saying we have been visited by extra terrestrials. I'm just saying that we may be "doing it the hard way" when it comes to traversing space.
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A question more bewildering (and potentially scarey) is why do we appear alone, check out issac Arthur's series on the Fermi paridox and possible reasons

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIIOUpOge0LulClL2dHXh8TTOnCgRkLdU

More related QP I assume you watched the quantum eraser experiment
 
thenewoc said:
Perhaps they have an inter planetary speed and a cruising speed once inside a planets atmosphere to reduce the risk of crashing.

or

They don't travel far as such but traverse dimensions. Maybe they inhabit earth in a different parallel universe and visit our one to observe their experiment.
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There is evidence of alien spacecraft, or things that could be, for instance the video in the OP cites a technology that is so far in advance of what we know, that it's hard to even conceive of it.

It's therefore likely that aliens inhabit Earth right now, but in a parallel dimension - cooexisting realities - or have done in the past.
 
Lysander said:
There is evidence of alien spacecraft, or things that could be, for instance the video in the OP cites a technology that is so far in advance of what we know, that it's hard to even conceive of it.

It's therefore likely that aliens inhabit Earth right now, but in a parallel dimension - cooexisting realities - or have done in the past.
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Yes, they are called MP's..
 
Lysander said:
There is evidence of alien spacecraft, or things that could be, for instance the video in the OP cites a technology that is so far in advance of what we know, that it's hard to even conceive of it.

It's therefore likely that aliens inhabit Earth right now, but in a parallel dimension - cooexisting realities - or have done in the past.
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I'm more inclined to think recent sitings are man made, maybe back engineered.

Coexistence could be just one species such as the shape shifters. Interesting circumstances of this person being surveilled so intensely for sharing his thoughts on the subject and interesting tech (orbs) they had.

 
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Twinz said:
I was binge-listening to youtube videos on quantum physics today and the more I learn about quantum entanglement, the more I think our understanding of how the universe works is grossly incomplete.

I'm not saying we have been visited by extra terrestrials. I'm just saying that we may be "doing it the hard way" when it comes to traversing space.
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All theories though.
The only way we actually know that works is A to B and personally I believe that is for the Universe - no magic tricks.
 
edscdk said:
A question more bewildering (and potentially scarey) is why do we appear alone, check out issac Arthur's series on the Fermi paridox and possible reasons

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIIOUpOge0LulClL2dHXh8TTOnCgRkLdU

More related QP I assume you watched the quantum eraser experiment
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Yeah, the Fermi paradox isn't very easy to cast aside as an idea, for me I think it's a very valid theory.

I think it's entirely possible, that physical law is essentially just that. No matter how advanced a species can become, the distances and difficulties involved with travelling between other planets and solar systems are so huge, nobody ever manages it. Eventually each and every species ultimately fizzles out due to exhaustion of resources, or destroys itself in the process.

At the rate we're going, the speed at which we're wrecking our own planet - I can see humanity destroying itself quite quickly, perhaps that's the natural order of things in the universe?, perhaps intelligence isn't a very good thing to have if you want to live in balance with nature and fit in with the ecosystem. The Dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years - we (modern humans) managed a meager 200k give or take, before we invented the hydrogen bomb, it doesn't bode well for the future.
 
Maybe looking for what amounts to hyper-advanced humanoids is fruitless with our limited field of view because other alien life is actually truly alien. A colony of termites could crawl past an iPhone for a million years and not know what it was.

Perhaps if they are similar, other civs - if they survive themselves long enough - find stuff about the universe that's much more interesting than travelling appalling distances between balls of rock and holding some sort of culture together whilst doing it, and perform the equivalent of the process of Subliming in Iain Bank's Culture universe, where they collectively check out to some other plane of existence.
 
Screeeech said:
Yeah, the Fermi paradox isn't very easy to cast aside as an idea, for me I think it's a very valid theory.

I think it's entirely possible, that physical law is essentially just that. No matter how advanced a species can become, the distances and difficulties involved with travelling between other planets and solar systems are so huge, nobody ever manages it. Eventually each and every species ultimately fizzles out due to exhaustion of resources, or destroys itself in the process.

At the rate we're going, the speed at which we're wrecking our own planet - I can see humanity destroying itself quite quickly, perhaps that's the natural order of things in the universe?, perhaps intelligence isn't a very good thing to have if you want to live in balance with nature and fit in with the ecosystem. The Dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years - we (modern humans) managed a meager 200k give or take, before we invented the hydrogen bomb, it doesn't bode well for the future.
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Or maybe it does. Maybe development of technology is one of the filters, one of the hurdles that a species needs to get over in order to be able to protect themselves from external events that would otherwise wipe them out. We couldn't deal with a major impactor right now, but we're a great deal closer to being able to do so than the dinosaurs were. There are numerous natural events that could wipe out a species and one (or more) of them will happen sooner or later.
 
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Maybe looking for what amounts to hyper-advanced humanoids is fruitless with our limited field of view because other alien life is actually truly alien. A colony of termites could crawl past an iPhone for a million years and not know what it was.

Perhaps if they are similar, other civs - if they survive themselves long enough - find stuff about the universe that's much more interesting than travelling appalling distances between balls of rock and holding some sort of culture together whilst doing it, and perform the equivalent of the process of Subliming in Iain Bank's Culture universe, where they collectively check out to some other plane of existence.
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Another possibility is that it's fruitless looking for other people with advanced technology because what we're looking for is in at least some ways inefficiency and that tends to reduce as technology develops. Maybe technology even a relatively small amount more advanced than our own throws less sign of itself into space and we'd only have any chance of detecting them if they were deliberately trying to make contact and their signal happens to be passing by this position at this time and we can detect it and it's in a form that we'd recognise as a signal.

We don't know enough yet. The truth could be anything from us being the only species to have got this far to some form of union/federation/etc of a trillion civilisations of species with hyper-advanced technology flitting between the stars as easily as popping to the corner shop and casually communicating between different galaxies who've agreed to conceal their existence from Earth to not interfere or because it's an opportunity to study the development of a sentient species. Or maybe there are alien TV probes concealed in the solar system and "Humans - WTF are they doing?" is a popular TV show out there.
 
We need to become a Kardashev 1 type species for any hope of prolonging humanity beyond Earth. if that never happens then we may as well look forward to a distant dystopian future

Screeeech said:
The Dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years - we (modern humans) managed a meager 200k give or take, before we invented the hydrogen bomb, it doesn't bode well for the future.
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Only because they were the top of the dominant species that were also absolutely massive and built like tanks. The only reason they became extinct is because of the asteroid impact else they'd likely have way more descendents today than just birds and a handful of other animals like gaters.. Probably even exist today in fact which means we probably would not have existed as an intelligent technological species.
 
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Only because they were the top of the dominant species that were also absolutely massive and built like tanks. The only reason they became extinct is because of the asteroid impact else they'd likely have way more descendents today than just birds and a handful of other animals like gaters..
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I would say the reason the Dinosaurs were around so long, wasn't simply because they were built like tanks - they didn't have the ability to malnipulate and damage each other, or their own environment in the way that only an intelligent species like us could ever do. The Dinosaurs would have been wholly at the mercy of evolution by natural selection and nature (predation, competition, disease, hardship, etc) would simply keep their populations balanced and in check, as it did for hundreds of millions of years. Whereas with humans - we have the ability to mitigate and work around some of those things to some extent (survival of the fittest, or luckiest), with our technology and medicine, something which no other species on earth has ever been able to do.
 
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I would say the reason the Dinosaurs were around so long, wasn't simply because they were built like tanks - they didn't have the ability to malnipulate and damage each other, or their own environment in the way that only an intelligent species like us could ever do. The Dinosaurs would have been wholly at the mercy of evolution by natural selection and nature (predation, competition, disease, hardship, etc) would simply keep their populations balanced and in check, as it did for hundreds of millions of years. Whereas with humans - we have the ability to mitigate and work around some of those things to some extent (survival of the fittest, or luckiest), with our technology and medicine, something which no other species on earth has ever been able to do.
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Most dinosaurs weren't built like tanks anyway. The massive tanky dinosaurs are more famous today, but they weren't the only ones or even the most common ones. But if you're organising a museum, putting a reconstructed skeleton bigger than a lorry front and centre where visitors enter is just the job for making an impression. An impression I remember nearly 50 years later and I'm sure I'm not the only one. A paleoarchaeoligist comparing trilobite fossils to deduce small details about the effects of enviromental conditions on size or somesuch thing is interesting to other paleoarchaeologists. A paleoarchaeologist posed next to a leg bone bigger than they are is a photo opportunity.

It was the itsy bitsy running and hiding little snack food mammals that won the survival of the fittest race, not the massive tanky dinosaurs. It might well be that part of the reason why homo sapiens has become so ludicrously dominant is because physically we're a bit crap and that made co-operation and tool use survival requirements to a larger extent than for other animals. Neanderthals were stronger and tougher than homo sapiens and probably about as smart, but they only succeeded until homo sapiens came along. Size and strength and toughness are good for survival, but tool use and groups are better.
 
The latest episode of Ancient Aliens (S16E06) is an extended episode featuring all the main contributors of the series, plus guests on video calls (Daniken, Michio Kaku etc) and William Shatner taking the chair.
Very interesting because Shatner is on the fence and you've got people like Nick Pope who isn't as mad as the others putting his side of things in.
Well worth a watch but still nothing to convince me.
 
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