Pentagon releases UFO footage

jigger said:
Someone claims they went to a place. They seen a radar tape showing an anomalous result. Clearly a cover up in progress and proves outrageous claims.

That seems more than enough for Pottsey to start name calling anyone that questions the claims.
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Exactly, they can say anything they like...

The funny thing is though, that nothing they're really saying is in any way original is it? :D

I mean there's nothing in any way mindblowing about the claims, or the nature of them, anybody with a half-baked imagination can and has made this stuff up, 1000x before, there's nothing new about the claims being made.
 
jigger said:
You seem to believe in fantastic claims without any evidence. Even when those claims contradicts themselves.
The ultimate optimist.
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None of my claims are fantastic, unrealistic or contradict themselves. Your claims on the other hand are fantastic, go directly against what all the professionals say, directly against the evidence and you are seeing made up things like wings flapping that no one else in the entire world can see. That's why you’re the conspiracy theorist.

"Someone claims they went to a place. "
It wasnt just a claim, it was documented and proved to have happened.


Screeeech said:
Well, it's the very definition of hearsay.
Somebody says they were shown something by somebody else, but they have nothing substantive they can actually show us.
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You’re just making that up that is cannot be substantiated. For starters Congress took a field trip to Eglen base. They asked the House Oversight subcommittee to subpoena radar data and images. Which they viewed the radar sequence, looked at the high-resolution photos and interviewed the pilot. That’s pretty substantiated and not hearsay as it was all officially documented as happening and went into the official records.

It was also confirmed Grush handed over pages and pages of documentation, photos and gave precise project names, locations, people involved, dates and times something else you lied about in saying did not happen. All that can be investigated and substantiated over time if its real. You keep pretending it’s just someone standing up talking BS with no details but that is not what is happening. High levels of details and documentation are being handed over.

Grush is backed up by people like Karl E Nell Army Colonel, Christopher Mellon Deputy Assistant security of defence of Intelligence, Jonathan Generational Officer of Intelligence and all the other big names. It’s not about money that’s just a fake narrative your making. Its also not about Corbell and Knapp. The people backing Grush have no links to Corbell and Knapp, no links to books and no links to making money from this. Grush is even turning down paid for interviews. If it was just someone talking made up BS all those big names wouldn't be backing him.



Screeeech said:
When I see Jeremy Corbell sat next to George Knapp, in that hearing - my BS detector is literally just screaming constantly.
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Well your BS detector is clearly broken which is no surprise given your history in this thread. You’re making something of nothing yet again as your complaining about members of the public sitting in the free public area watching an open and free hearing that anyone can go to. If you wanted you could have gone there early, got seats and sat near the front or even sit with Jeremy Corbell next to George Knapp. It was free open seating. Corbell and Knapp where not part of the hearing.

Trying to make out a hearing is BS because of the public sitting in the open public area is just conspiracy theorist level nonsense. The fact you agree with conspiracy theorist jigger doesn't surprise me at all given how you seem to be into conspiracy theory's. Like you did with that made up conspiracy about crypto money you created before or this made up conspiracy theory about ducks and that everyone is lying and its all a big coverup to make money from selling UFO books.
 
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MookJong said:
This is what I cannot get my head around when people completely denounce Grusch. I understand people being sceptical of the claims, but you have to meet it half way, do you honestly think this would have got this far, that two bills would be written into law to facilitate declassification of the evidence, if it were just hearsay?
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The Pentagon have made a statement rebuking the Grusch claims and stating he didn’t hold the position he claimed to. Grusch has since back peddle somewhat. Grusch has also stated to have knowledge of other governments having ET craft. I find it very questionable that any American officer would have knowledge of say a British held craft.
 
Pottsey said:
None of my claims are fantastic, unrealistic or contradict themselves. Your claims on the other hand are fantastic, go directly against what all the professionals say, directly against the evidence and you are seeing made up things like wings flapping that no one else in the entire world can see. That's why you’re the conspiracy theorist.

"Someone claims they went to a place. "
It wasnt just a claim, it was documented and proved to have happened.



You’re just making that up that is cannot be substantiated. For starters Congress took a field trip to Eglen base. They asked the House Oversight subcommittee to subpoena radar data and images. Which they viewed the radar sequence, looked at the high-resolution photos and interviewed the pilot. That’s pretty substantiated and not hearsay as it was all officially documented as happening and went into the official records.

It was also confirmed Grush handed over pages and pages of documentation, photos and gave precise project names, locations, people involved, dates and times something else you lied about in saying did not happen. All that can be investigated and substantiated over time if its real. You keep pretending it’s just someone standing up talking BS with no details but that is not what is happening. High levels of details and documentation are being handed over.

Grush is backed up by people like Karl E Nell Army Colonel, Christopher Mellon Deputy Assistant security of defence of Intelligence, Jonathan Generational Officer of Intelligence and all the other big names. It’s not about money that’s just a fake narrative your making. Its also not about Corbell and Knapp. The people backing Grush have no links to Corbell and Knapp, no links to books and no links to making money from this. Grush is even turning down paid for interviews. If it was just someone talking made up BS all those big names wouldn't be backing him.




Well your BS detector is clearly broken which is no surprise given your history in this thread. You’re making something of nothing yet again as your complaining about members of the public sitting in the free public area watching an open and free hearing that anyone can go to. If you wanted you could have gone there early, got seats and sat near the front or even sit with Jeremy Corbell next to George Knapp. It was free open seating. Corbell and Knapp where not part of the hearing.

Trying to make out a hearing is BS because of the public sitting in the open public area is just conspiracy theorist level nonsense. The fact you agree with conspiracy theorist jigger doesn't surprise me at all given how you seem to be into conspiracy theory's. Like you did with that made up conspiracy about crypto money you created before or this made up conspiracy theory about ducks and that everyone is lying and its all a big coverup to make money from selling UFO books.
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Compelling material evidence released into the public domain, when?

Not "he said" "she said" "I saw a thing once".
 
Pottsey said:
You’re just making that up that is cannot be substantiated. For starters Congress took a field trip to Eglen base. They asked the House Oversight subcommittee to subpoena radar data and images. Which they viewed the radar sequence, looked at the high-resolution photos and interviewed the pilot. That’s pretty substantiated and not hearsay as it was all officially documented as happening and went into the official records.
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Ok - how has this claim been substantiated exactly?

Claiming that because they say they've seen it, doesn't count as it being substantiated

Pottsey said:
Grush is backed up by people like Karl E Nell Army Colonel, Christopher Mellon Deputy Assistant security of defence of Intelligence, Jonathan Generational Officer of Intelligence and all the other big names.
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Elizabeth Holmes and her fraud company Theranos comes to mind.

She had a huge number of "big names" backing her up, and the whole thing was a scam - even worse, anybody with GCSE knowledge of science could see it was a scam.

The names of people, their positions, awards they've won or who they're in bed with - doesn't matter, evidence of the claim being made is all that matters.

Pottsey said:
Corbell and Knapp where not part of the hearing.
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I don't care whether they were part of the hearing or not, their very presence sat behind Grusch - makes the whole thing a joke.
 
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jigger said:
The Pentagon have made a statement rebuking the Grusch claims and stating he didn’t hold the position he claimed to. Grusch has since back peddle somewhat. Grusch has also stated to have knowledge of other governments having ET craft. I find it very questionable that any American officer would have knowledge of say a British held craft.
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Show us the statement or is this another fake conspiracy theory you made up? Grusch hasn't back peddled on anything. No statements have rebuked his claim or said he didn't hold the position. In fact they confirmed he did hold that position as I showed in links yesterday. If you think Grusch wouldn't have knowledge of the British then you paid no attention to his job or the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence alliance.

Can you show any evidence or is this more fake conspiracies you are making up?
 
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The onus is on those making the claims to now provide extraordinary hard evidence. I hope Grusch hasn’t let his mouth run away with itself, because if he fails to deliver irrefutable evidence linking government agencies to these crimes he’s likely facing a court marshal. Senators making claims also need to make public what evidence they have as one senator used this to backup what was being claimed.

My hunch is this will all end with a whimper as those involved realise the claims are mostly false and the implications are as serious as they are fanciful.
 
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Pottsey said:
Show us the statement or is this another fake conspiracy theory you made up?
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To be honest, Sean Kirkpatrick from the AARO isn't very happy at all with Grusch and his band of scammers.

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'Insulting': Pentagon's UFO boss torches claims of alien coverup

The recently-established All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office has found no evidence to support those allegations, Sean Kirkpatrick wrote.
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I have a feeling about what's going on here, my guess is that there are two separate things:

First there's the AARO (headed by Sean Kirkpatrick) from the DOD, who appears to be running a legit effort to try to understand more about what these UAPs actually are, how to get better reporting and actually identify them, which makes sense.

Second, there are a bunch of total charlatans who are involved with the second effort, (Grusch, Fravor, Newsnation et al.) who are concerned with turning the whole thing into an entire season of the X-Files. They've likely conned some gullible politicians (not difficult to do with a bit of $$), made a bit of money and are just trying to milk everything they can out of it, before they get found out - which I think they will sooner rather than later.
 
All this American UFO stuff is probably just part of a war game tactic to make other countries think the US has recovered some 'Alien Tech' that makes them more powerful...

Give me proper proof or stfu
 
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Pottsey said:
Show us the statement or is this another fake conspiracy theory you made up? Grusch hasn't back peddled on anything. No statements have rebuked his claim or said he didn't hold the position. In fact they confirmed he did hold that position as I showed in links yesterday. If you think Grusch wouldn't have knowledge of the British then you paid no attention to his job or the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence alliance.

Can you show any evidence or is this more fake conspiracies you are making up?
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It's kind of weird to listen to the "aliens are here" side saying the sceptic side are inventing conspiracy theories.

Given that (allegedly) the whole reason we haven't (to date) seen all these aliens and their tech, is apparently a global conspiracy to hide all the evidence, up to this point.

But whatever. Still no compelling material evidence in the public domain, this evening :p
 
cainer said:
All this American UFO stuff is probably just part of a war game tactic to make other countries think the US has recovered some 'Alien Tech' that makes them more powerful...

Give me proper proof or stfu
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Nah, I think we'll just keep talking about it. Bore off if you don't want to talk about UFO's in a UFO thread.
 
Roar87 said:
Nah, I think we'll just keep talking about it. Bore off if you don't want to talk about UFO's in a UFO thread.
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So start a thread where you ask for only posters who are willing to accept the most flimsiest of hearsay and take it all in.
If people like me trash it then report us.
I'll read it for the LOLs then.

I'll start one of Fairies, Santa, the Tooth Fairy and God and ask for only believers to post.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
So start a thread where you ask for only posters who are willing to accept the most flimsiest of hearsay and take it all in.
If people like me trash it then report us.
I'll read it for the LOLs then.

I'll start one of Fairies, Santa, the Tooth Fairy and God and ask for only believers to post.
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Let's be clear here, this thread is about mostly UFOs. No one to my knowledge has said they believe the craft we're talking about is definitely Aliens, we're simply discussing videos and testimony by credible witnesses only to be met by posters who are angry that the US government hasn't released evidence of what would likely be something highly classified were it to exist. It could be so secret that they wouldn't even tell the President for example. As I've said before, it's a fun interesting topic to discuss. It's far less fun when posters come in highlighting the obvious fact that we haven't got cast iron proof of alien life yet, as if it's the job of the posters on here to provide that somehow
 
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Roar87 said:
Let's be clear here, this thread is about mostly UFOs. No one to my knowledge has said they believe the craft we're talking about is definitely Aliens, we're simply discussing videos and testimony by credible witnesses only to be met by posters who are angry that the US government hasn't released evidence of what would likely be something highly classified were it to exist. It could be so secret that they wouldn't even tell the President for example. As I've said before, it's a fun interesting topic to discuss. It's far less fun when posters come in highlighting the obvious fact that we haven't got cast iron proof of alien life yet, as if it's the job of the posters on here to provide that somehow
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Lol, it's not fun when there's literally no evidence. And then you get a bunch of people demanding we be "open-minded" at the same time as accepting that we'll never be shown any evidence. And saying it's perfectly fine that we'll never be shown the evidence, you just need to believe that it exists and is all top-secret.

"There could be aliens, but we'll never be told."
"They could be crashing all over the place, but they'll never reveal it."
"The government could have all this crazy advanced tech, but we'll never be allowed to see it."
"This guy thinks it's aliens, but he says everything he knows is classified and won't tell."
"These people reckon they've been playing poker with aliens every night since 1960, but they never have a camera to hand. They did draw some pictures of them in crayon, tho."

How that's fun for you is anyone's guess. It's just ridiculous.

e: Actually what it is is cult mentality. The same type of unquestioning belief ends up with people poisoning themselves or giving all their money and possessions to some whack job.
 
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FoxEye said:
Lol, it's not fun when there's literally no evidence. And then you get a bunch of people demanding we be "open-minded" at the same time as accepting that we'll never be shown any evidence. And saying it's perfectly fine that we'll never be shown the evidence, you just need to believe that it exists and is all top-secret.

"There could be aliens, but we'll never be told."
"They could be crashing all over the place, but they'll never reveal it."
"The government could have all this crazy advanced tech, but we'll never be allowed to see it."
"This guy thinks it's aliens, but he says everything he knows is classified and won't tell."
"These people reckon they've been playing poker with aliens every night since 1960, but they never have a camera to hand. They did draw some pictures of them in crayon, tho."

How that's fun for you is anyone's guess. It's just ridiculous.

e: Actually what it is is cult mentality. The same type of unquestioning belief ends up with people poisoning themselves or giving all their money and possessions to some whack job.
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We've seen some evidence of UFO's backed by witnesses who are credible US Navy pilots describing in detail what they saw. We'd love to have better video, but the events as they're described with video to back up that it actually happened are reasonable enough to say something was out there that we're unable to explain.

There is obviously more evidence that hasn't been released because it's been taken on classified military equipment.

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Roar87 said:
Let's be clear here, this thread is about mostly UFOs. No one to my knowledge has said they believe the craft we're talking about is definitely Aliens, we're simply discussing videos and testimony by credible witnesses only to be met by posters who are angry that the US government hasn't released evidence of what would likely be something highly classified were it to exist. It could be so secret that they wouldn't even tell the President for example. As I've said before, it's a fun interesting topic to discuss. It's far less fun when posters come in highlighting the obvious fact that we haven't got cast iron proof of alien life yet, as if it's the job of the posters on here to provide that somehow
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Let's be clear, the majority of this thread is similar to "My mate is a Police Inspector so a very truthful person and he will swear on oath that while walking his dog he spoke to Jesus" and because it's UFOs or UAPs being driven by non humans some people are wetting themselves.
Would you take your mates word for it or think "Roger has lost it"?
 
I got to be honest, after decades of this **** I'm pretty done with it all. Show us evidence, real evidence, (and people telling us isn't evidence, it's just telling us) or shut the **** up.

I believe there are aliens out there, even that they have landed/crashed. But this dancing around by everybody is dumb. It's clear now that if we're told the truth humanity isn't going into a mass panic or hysteria like the world's governments think we'll do, they give all of us too little credit.
 
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