Pentagon releases UFO footage

The wilder the claim the more the burden of evidence required. These latest claims are so extreme the evidence should be abundant and everywhere. Numerous 60 mile long or 15 mile high traces of plasma visible for thousands of Kms and seen by people in the thousands. Mach 70 Sonic booms recorded. Yet we get tall tales, videos of ordinary things acting in ordinary ways.
It’s a case of cool story, now show the evidence or never happened.

Grusch approached George Knapp a little over a year ago apparently. This and his little back peddle over his roles and claims of having information on foreign ET programs when only holding at the rank of an air force Major is all very questionable.
You keep making wild claims and are not backing them up. I still have not seen this special evidence only you seem to have. You know the one where you made the claim you can see birds wing flapping and aviation lights in the videos proving the object is not a craft. Where is the proof?

Or the special documents only you have that shows the pentagon statement rebuking Grusch claims and stating he didn’t hold the position he claimed to.

As far as I can see you are trying to create a fake conspiracy theory to discredit Grusch.

Do you have any evidence for a back peddle by Grusch?

One such example of your lies/fake conspiracy. Grusch didn’t only hold only a rank of force Major. Grusch was the military equivalent of a Colonel, he briefed the president daily directly and had full access to the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence alliance which involved access to UK intelligence. Something else you denied he had access to but he did.

You made these claims the burden of evidence is on you.
 
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You keep making wild claims and are not backing them up. I still have not seen this special evidence only you seem to have. You know the one where you made the claim you can see birds wing flapping and aviation lights in the videos proving the object is not a craft. Where is the proof?

Or the special documents only you have that shows the pentagon statement rebuking Grusch claims and stating he didn’t hold the position he claimed to.

As far as I can see you are trying to create a fake conspiracy theories to discredit Grusch.

Do you have any evidence for a back peddle by Grusch?

One such example of your lies/fake conspiracy. Grusch didn’t only hold only a rank of force Major. Grusch was the military equivalent of a Colonel, he briefed the president daily directly and had full access to the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence alliance which involved access to UK intelligence. Something else you denied he had access to but he did.

You made these claims the burden of evidence is on you.

You’re not wired right chap.
 
You’re not wired right chap.

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You’re not wired right chap.
I can quote the posts and show the links where you made all those fake claims and then you refused to post evidence. Just a few posts ago you said "only holding the rank of an air force Major is all very questionable." which is a lie as he hold the rank of the military equivalent of a Colonel and had access to the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence network. Your the one not wired if right if you think we are going to blindly believe your fake claims. If your going to go around making all these claims like you did when you said the Pentagon made a statement rebuking Grusch claims which is something that never happened. Then you have to prove yourself. You have already been caught out lying about the videos where you said there are aviation lights and bird wings flapping which was not true. I can quote that post.
 
I can quote the posts and show the links where you made all those fake claims and then you refused to post evidence. Just a few posts ago you said "only holding the rank of an air force Major is all very questionable." which is a lie as he hold the rank of the military equivalent of a Colonel and had access to the Five Eyes (FVEY) intelligence network. Your the one not wired if right if you think we are going to blindly believe your fake claims. If your going to go around making all these claims like you did when you said the Pentagon made a statement rebuking Grusch claims which is something that never happened. Then you have to prove yourself. You have already been caught out lying about the videos where you said there are aviation lights and bird wings flapping which was not true. I can quote that post.

Mr Grusch probaly isn’t the man you should pin your hopes on. His claims have been described as insulting to the office he claims/implied he worked for. He held a very junior rank and he’s now doing interviews with the advice of a lawyer. Take from that what you will.
 
Mr Grusch probaly isn’t the man you should pin your hopes on. His claims have been described as insulting to the office he claims/implied he worked for. He held a very junior rank and he’s now doing interviews with the advice of a lawyer. Take from that what you will.
Again your lying or a conspiracy nut. His rank was right near the top briefing the President daily which he did via his large intelligence team that worked under him. His rank was the military equivalent of Colonel which is not a very junior rank.

What I take from your post is that you cannot backup any of the claims you made. So I take it all your claims are fake.
 
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Again your lying or a conspiracy nut. His rank was was right at the top briefing the President daily which he did via his large intelligence team that worked under him. His rank was the military equivalent of Colonel which is not a very junior rank .

Major is a very junior rank so is Colonel. Major is like a 50k pa guy. I think it’s the equivalent of an OF-4. Now if he was an OF-8/9 his claims would be much more credible. Then I could believe he would have very high level access to information. Still, even then he probably wouldn’t have access to world/galaxy changing super secret alien tech that might explain the claims being made.
 
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My name is David Charles Grusch. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years, both in the US Air Force (USAF) at the rank of Major and most recently, from 2021-2023, at the National Geospatial- Intelligence Agency at the GS-15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full-bird Colonel. I was my agency’s co-lead in Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and trans- medium object analysis, as well as reporting to UAP Task Force (UAPTF) and eventually the All- Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).


He only made Major, Pottsey. The Pentagon denied he held this position, why would a junior officer hold it.
 
Again your lying or a conspiracy nut.

Seriously...

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

I mean it's one thing to disagree or have an alternate opinion, or even poke a bit of fun - but calling someone (who doesn't need my help defending him) a liar or conspiracy nut after all you've said and claimed, is disappointing.
 
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He only made Major, Pottsey. The Pentagon denied he held this position, why would a junior officer hold it.
No one in the Pentagon denied he hold that position, your making that up just like all your other made up claims that are not true.

You just proved yourself wrong with your own link.

In 2012 he was a US Air Force (USAF) at the rank of Major and more recently by 2021 he was promoted to GS-15 the military equivalent of a full-bird Colonel. GS-15 is the max possible rank for the GS scale, its the most senior role at GS scale which is what they use in the intelligence department he worked in. He used to be a major in 2012 and by 2021 he worked his way well past that.
 
No one in the Pentagon denied he hold that position, your making that up just like all your other made up claims that are not true.

You just proved yourself wrong with your own link.

In 2012 he was a US Air Force (USAF) at the rank of Major and more recently by 2021 he was promoted to GS-15 the military equivalent of a full-bird Colonel. GS-15 is the max possible rank for the GS scale, its the most senior role at GS scale which is what they use in the intelligence department he worked in. He used to be a major in 2012 and by 2021 he worked his way well past that.

From the sounds of it Grusch was a junior intelligence analyst who only held the rank of Major so literally the most junior officer in the room. An OF-3

Grusch never even made Colonel. I can’t see the likes of our chief of the general staff ever briefing an American equivalent of an OF-3 about our erm alien tech program. It’s laughable TBH. I think the Pentagon framed it about right, insulting.
 
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I like to watch old tv series and films.

I've noticed there used to be a lot of free to air series, even kids tv series, about the idea of aliens or the paranormal. But these days apart from Star Wars or Star Trek, the last tv series to make people think was X-Files.

It's strange how we don't see any fictional programmes on the aliens these days. It's like we're being discouraged to think outside the box.

Or are these UFO / UAP hearings the new fiction were people believe it?
 
Seriously...

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

I mean it's one thing to disagree or have an alternate opinion, or even poke a bit of fun - but calling someone (who doesn't need my help defending him) a liar or conspiracy nut after all you've said and claimed, is disappointing.
Frankly given your past behaviour and history I don't put any stock into what you have to say anymore. I believe the reason you find posts ridiculous is you have a history of misconstruing what is being said and as proven before you forget things and misremember things. Like the time I talked to someone else about about a well written bit of fiction and you couldn't understand we where talking about fiction despite the amount of times we explained it was fiction. Then you went on a week long crazy rant and you made a bunch of stuff up. The ridiculous stuff you made up in your head.

Your the one coming up with all these crazy theory's. More recently you said Grusch and the people involved with his efforts which would be people like Karl E Nell Army Colonel, Christopher Mellon Deputy Assistant security of defence of Intelligence, Jonathan Generational Officer of Intelligence and multiple Inspector Generals being the main people involved with his efforts. You called them total charlatans, at least that's how it reads. Plus an award wining top class journalist who is known for his high end investigative work is according to you also a charlatan which just weakens your case even more every time you call him names. You act like they are all out to make money or some such nonsense or going further back it was crypto coins nonsense you made up. That entire Crypto coins linked to a UFO video story you made up was a almost at a CT level story.

So you can keep throwing all your insults at me as much as you like as it only further backs up my low opinion about your posts in this thread.



From the sounds of it Grusch was a junior intelligence analyst who only held the rank of Major so literally the most junior officer in the room. An OF-3

Grusch never even made Colonel. I can’t see the likes of our chief of the general staff ever briefing an American equivalent of an OF-3 about our erm alien tech program. It’s laughable TBH. I think the Pentagon framed it about right, insulting.
The Pentagon never framed Grusch as insulting, yet again you are making stuff up.
Your own link showed Crusch made a full bird Colonel equivalent.

Why do you keep insisting and saying he only hold the rank of Major when all the links you have posted show he was promoted well past Major?

You seem really confused. Perhaps this will help.

2009 - Begins career as USAF intelligence officer
2011 - Wing Space Control Intelligence Officer (1st Lieutenant)
2012 Captain of 3rd Space Experimentation Squadron for space-based demonstrations, pathfinders and experiments.

Between 2012 and 2016 Grush hits Major.

2016 Grush moves to National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) as Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer - cleared at TS/SCI level.

2019-2021-Grush Prmoted to NRO’s representative

2021 onwards: Grush hits Max GS rank very top of GS rank. He drafted the FY2023 National Defence Authorization Act. At this point he is the Intelligence equivalent well, well past Major.

Why are you pretending he career stopped just after 2012 when he hit major? Why are you pretending he is only a junior officer? He was the most Senior Intelligence Officer there was at GS level. There are no more GS levels above him.
 
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Frankly given your past behaviour and history I don't put any stock into what you have to say anymore. I believe the reason you find posts ridiculous is you have a history of misconstruing what is being said and as proven before you forget things and misremember things. Like the time I talked to someone else about about a well written bit of fiction and you couldn't understand we where talking about fiction despite the amount of times we explained it was fiction. Then you went on a week long crazy rant and you made a bunch of stuff up. The ridiculous stuff you made up in your head.

Your the one coming up with all these crazy theory's. More recently you said Grusch and the people involved with his efforts which would be people like Karl E Nell Army Colonel, Christopher Mellon Deputy Assistant security of defence of Intelligence, Jonathan Generational Officer of Intelligence and multiple Inspector Generals being the main people involved with his efforts. You called them total charlatans, at least that's how it reads. Plus an award wining top class journalist who is known for his high end investigative work is according to you also a charlatan which just weakens your case even more every time you call him names. You act like they are all out to make money or some such nonsense or going further back it was crypto coins nonsense you made up. That entire Crypto coins linked to a UFO video story you made up was a almost at a CT level story.

So you can keep throwing all your insults at me as much as you like as it only further backs up my low opinion about your posts in this thread.




The Pentagon never framed Grusch as insulting, yet again you are making stuff up.
Your own link showed Crusch made a full bird Colonel equivalent.

Why do you keep insisting and saying he only hold the rank of Major when all the links you have posted show he was promoted well past Major?

You seem really confused. Perhaps this will help.

2009 - Begins career as USAF intelligence officer
2011 - Wing Space Control Intelligence Officer (1st Lieutenant)
2012 Captain of 3rd Space Experimentation Squadron for space-based demonstrations, pathfinders and experiments.

Between 2012 and 2016 Grush hits Major.

2016 Grush moves to National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) as Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer - cleared at TS/SCI level.

2019-2021-Grush Prmoted to NRO’s representative

2021 onwards: Grush hits Max GS rank very top of GS rank. He drafted the FY2023 National Defence Authorization Act. At this point he is the Intelligence equivalent well, well past Major.

Why are you pretending he career stopped just after 2012 when he hit major? Why are you pretending he is only a junior officer? He was the most Senior Intelligence Officer there was at GS level. There are no more GS levels above him.

Maybe beyond help TBH. Grusch was a Major.

Sean Kirkpatrick Head of the Pentagon’s AARO.

Let me begin by saying that the following are my own personal observations and opinions, which do not
necessarily represent official DoD or IC positions.
Yesterday, the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs held an open hearing
on UP during which a government cover-up of extraterrestrials was alleged. I wholeheartedly applaud
Congressional efforts to get to the truth about what UP are and the risks to both pilot safety and
national security. I am also absolutely committed to transparency on both the historical mission and the
operational mission.
As the Director of AARO's amazingly talented, devoted, and highly motivated team, however, I cannot
let yesterday's hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of
Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties
about the career risks this would entail. that have been working diligentlv. tirelessly, and often in the
face of harassment and animosity, to satisfy their Congressionally-mandated mission. They are truth-
seekers, as am I. But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday's hearing.
AARO was established, by law, to investigate the allegations and assertions presented in yesterday's
hearing. Allegations by its witnesses of retaliation, to include physical assault and hints of murder, are
extraordinarily serious, which is why law enforcement is a critical member of the AARO team,
specifically to address and take swift action should anyone come forward with such claims. Yet, contrary
to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with
AARO. Furthermore, some information reportedly provided to Congress has not been provided to AARO,
raising additional questions about the true commitment to transparency by some Congressional
elements.
The Subcommittee, whose questions and oversight duties are irreproachable and in genuine need of
answers, has never asked AARO for an update on the reporting system, the historical review, the
operations, and the S&T strategy that AARO leads and is undertaking. A rational person watching the
hearing might reasonably assume that both the witnesses and the members had an understanding of
the Department's and the IC's progress since the establishment of AARO around this time last year, only
naturally leading them to conclude that AARO has been ineffective, non-transparent, and delinquent in
its legislated mission. AARO briefs the Defense and Intel committees regularly, and since the last NDAA,
the Homeland Defense, S&T and several other committees as well.
I am deeply disappointed at the denigration of AARO's dedicated men and women hailing from the
Department of Defense, Intelligence Community, and Civil partners who are pouring their hearts out
working this issue on the behalf of Congress. AARO has the authorities and resources necessary to
execute this mission to meet Congressional intent, and as we've stated before, AARO welcomes anyone
with knowledge of any of these allegations or programs to talk to us in a safe, secure, and appropriately
cleared environment. Rest assured, AARO will follow the data wherever it leads.
Finally, to be clear, AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse
engineering program for non-human technology. Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from
yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements
made in testimony and in the media
 
Frankly given your past behaviour and history I don't put any stock into what you have to say anymore.

Well you should.

Your the one coming up with all these crazy theory's.

Crazy theories?

My literal position on this, is that it's a hoax - not exactly far out is it?

People make up hoaxes and scams all the time, sometimes for money and attention, sometimes just for fun - this (David Grusch silliness) has all the telltale signs of a hoax, so I think it almost certainly is.

And all this talk of David Grusch being a super-duper mighty-morphin-mega-colonel-major-lord-admiral-XIIV doesn't mean squat, what matters is evidence - and there's bugger all of that.

So until that evidence turns up, I'm going to continue to guess that it's a hoax, and it's a good guess.
 
Seriously...

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

I mean it's one thing to disagree or have an alternate opinion, or even poke a bit of fun - but calling someone (who doesn't need my help defending him) a liar or conspiracy nut after all you've said and claimed, is disappointing.

Small steps and judge the response. Gives some idea to the mentality and how best to proceed. Also some time to consider different opinions, let them sink in.
 
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