Pentagon releases UFO footage

I think there's a vast difference between the AI we have now and General AI. And still a gap from there to sentient AI that can actual manifest its desired outcomes.

I believe (in at least the possibility) there is going to be a pretty horrendous situation in our living memory of bad actors using current generation (dumb) AI to spread disinformation at worldwide scale. I think anything like that would stilt the speed at which the next useful level of AI would become mainstream.
 
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world AI is largely a buzz word the latest thing to have.
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Microsoft excel was always powered by AI going of how the word is used..

how "AI" learn through trial and error to play games shows how dumb they are and it's all based on a reward system set up by a human.

it's like training a dog with biscuits... it's not intelligent at all.... it's basically playing hot or cold, and they need millions of hours of training before they can beat a human.

that openAI bot that beat human teams at dota2 had 180 straight years of experience per bot, but they don't learn in real time...
 
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Training being the key word. Training leads to intelligence, and in machine learning that is directly related to the level of compute you throw at the training models. This is why actual "AI" is only seen by a handful of companies, NASA, DARPA, Google, MS, OpenAI etc who have the resources to throw massive amounts of compute at whatever their project funding is working toward.

The speed of compute is always getting faster, as is the cost getting lower as tech advances and reaches more mainstream outlets.
 
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Training being the key word. Training leads to intelligence, and in machine learning that is directly related to the level of compute you throw at the training models. This is why actual "AI" is only seen by a handful of companies, NASA, DARPA, Google, MS, OpenAI etc who have the resources to throw massive amounts of compute at whatever their project funding is working toward.

The speed of compute is always getting faster, as is the cost getting lower as tech advances and reaches more mainstream outlets.
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I am not convinced that even with unlimited training and compute power AI can make that leap to real Intelligence. There is more to Intelligence then pure processing power and training. I don't think current silicon based processors are going to make that leap any time soon if ever. Saying that I can see improvements happening to the current day fake AI we have. AI in some situations is useful and well develop more. Its just I don't see that singularity point happening without some sort of unexpected major technological breakthrough which might not even be possible. Its very possible we could find ourselves as a race 1,000 or 10,000 years in the future without real AI.

Or I could be wrong and some new type of processor not based on our current technology comes out with some sort of new programming method come out and that Intelligence line is crossed. I just doubt it based on the foreseeable future.
 
Agreed, I also wouldn't say training=intelligence, feels overly simplistic. If you had the fastest system in the universe, it knew everything and could answer any question instantly, it's still at the mercy of humans asking it relatively dumb questions. I wouldn't call it useless but (again relatively speaking), my reaction would be rather muted compared to something that is proactive and bubbling along nicely without humans holding it back.

If DARPA has something doing that now, until it has broken free or something at the scale of ontological shock we're just guessing and gets a shrug from me.

I do find it interesting though despite my grumpiness at the overuse of the term AI. To bring it back on topic, I do believe in the unknown but not in AI controlled space discs. :p
 
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Isn't there an AI thread?
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Not that I have seen though not done a search. Its sort of related. Its theorized by some that the UAPs are unmanned AI driven drones or probes. Which also explains some of the crashes as the AI are following programming rules and coming across unexpected none programmed problems leading to crashes.
 
For those interested this isn't too bad - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/77436/alien-encounters-fact-or-fiction

I thought it was going to be bad until the 'Team' decided that a plaster of Paris footprint a couple bought in was actually an escaped Emu and the sound the man made of the Alien creature was the sound of an Emu.
An object a woman bought in that she dug out of her ear wasn't an Alien implant but a tooth crown which had been in there years. How it got there was even stranger than it being Aliens.
Yes there was some cases where the Team hadn't got a clue but at least they are trying to be objective.
 

Dr Kipping features on a recent episode of Event Horizon. Kipping has proposed the maths surrounding the possibility of intelligent life out there that are space faring. I also watched a Star Talk episode from this week where further talk delved into the biological constraints imposed on how life would need to go from simple cell organisms to complex form, that for that to happen certain specs are needed for the host planet, and generally it has to be a planet as liquid water is required for those molecular bonds to take place over the course of millions/billions of years.

Our own planet is unique in that it has had multiple extinction level events that have erased 70-90% of all life depending on which event it was, and it was only after the Dinos going extinct did humankind start to emerge after the surface of the Earth settled and Oxygen levels dropped from the mid 30% range to the 20s paving the way for more complex cells to bond and evolve.

With all this realisation in mind I just think that the stuff flying around isn't biological life, it's either man made or AI probes. Biological life in itself is so finite in terms of survival and fragile that nature just doesn't allow long enough before some event wipes it away. In the 1990s a comet crashed into Jupiter, it was filmed with telescopes and the impact created was larger than the Earth itself. I think that paints a picture of how quickly everything can be ended in an instant before a species even gets to start exploring space.

There is a crater below the Antarctic ice sheet that was discovered in the early 2000s, the ice sheets are several KM thick so it's unlikely in our lifetime that anyone will be able to determine how old that crater is, but it's orders of magnitude larger than the one that wiped out the dinosaurs and estimated to have happened some 100-200 million years ago, a timer when the continent was part of a larger land mass connected to a global continent. That even would almost certainly wiped out nearly all life on Earth since it was large enough to dislodge a continent, forcing life to start again.
 
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That Antarctic crater is not 100% widely acknowledged as an impact crater. Though it is a high probability given the evidence.
 
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mrk said:
Dr Kipping features on a recent episode of Event Horizon. Kipping has proposed the maths surrounding the possibility of intelligent life out there that are space faring. I also watched a Star Talk episode from this week where further talk delved into the biological constraints imposed on how life would need to go from simple cell organisms to complex form, that for that to happen certain specs are needed for the host planet, and generally it has to be a planet as liquid water is required for those molecular bonds to take place over the course of millions/billions of years.

Our own planet is unique in that it has had multiple extinction level events that have erased 70-90% of all life depending on which event it was, and it was only after the Dinos going extinct did humankind start to emerge after the surface of the Earth settled and Oxygen levels dropped from the mid 30% range to the 20s paving the way for more complex cells to bond and evolve.
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You've just summed up why we are probably unique, there are an infinite number of variables over an unlimited amount of time to accidentally evolve an intelligent humanoid.
The only other explanation is seeding by a distant Alien race like in a Star Trek episode but that's fiction.
No doubt there's plenty of life out there but like us no.
Or if there was it died off many of millions of years ago.
 
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Just watched the latest Alien Encounters Fact Or Fiction S01e04.
This South American woman details her story that all her life she is in touch with strange things and while she was on a train going to Machu Pichu something told her to take a picture in this exact spot :)
When she looked at her photos she saw a big orange UFO that wasn't there when she took the photo, my immediate thought was a reflection from inside the train.
The investigators went away and asked if she was on the "X" train which takes in the panoramic views and she said yes.
They then showed her a photo of a light inside the train that looked exactly like the UFO and it was clearly obvious it was that and her lead up story was BS :)
She still walked out claiming that it was a genuine UFO and this folks is the problem with some people, you can hit them over the head with facts but it won't go in.



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A former senior adviser to multiple US presidents has claimed he was briefed on “otherworld technologies” by a top CIA official in the 1960s.
Harald Malmgren, who served under John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, made the eyebrow-raising claim about the alleged conversation with CIA officer Richard Bissell in a viral post on X this week.

“Sixty-plus years ago I was provided highest level classifications to lead DOD (Department of Defence) work on nuclear weapons and antimissile defense,” Mr Malmgren wrote.

“Informally briefed on ‘otherworld technologies’ by CIA’s Richard Bissell (who had been in charge of Skunkworks, Area 51, Los Alamos, etc.) but sworn to secrecy.”
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It's so annoying they never have any proof, just "trust me bro" despite their credentials
 
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