Pentagon releases UFO footage

Colonel_Klinck said:
So I've not posted in here for about 5 months. Have we had any actual evidence or has it just been more hopium and assertions that the final proof is just around the corner? I'm betting on the latter rather than the former.
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I’m betting on the latter too.

I’m amenable to other life and even intelligent life out there within the cosmos but the idea the latter would have the means to traverse the distances involved, the inclination to observe / interact with this planet or then apparently make such a hash of it is frankly absurd and could only be imagined by humanity.

Reason and logic simply disappears out the window when it comes to this sort of thing. It’s a great story involving the usual suspects including the apparatus of governments, secretive projects and other clandestine funded groups but come on eh. At best it’s a novel method to publicly obfuscate weapons development and at worse, it’s a blag by governments to siphon off money.
 
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You can watch the CNBC coverage of the latest Congress UAP hearings over the last couple of days since the latest report, some currently live.

It's a lot of testimony in this formal openly broadcast context, from the key witnesses most with seemingly verified senior government and military roles, to simply dismiss it all without proper consideration and further review.

There's a lot they can't/won't give specific detail on in this session but it sounds like this has/could be(en) made available in the closed SCI sessions.

Either way the witnesses being questioned are closely managed and selected.

At this stage there is evidence of US Tax Funded activity & Programmes, some of which Inc contractors have been named, around UAPs, some Programmes do appear less transparent than others. No direct evidence of what the Programmes find though.
 
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So the catch 22 question from the hearing chair.

Not verbatim "If we're (inc historically) spending tax dollars on something that isn't real, where's the money going. If it is as reported then there should be more transparency"

My main comment from the hearing is given the whole nature of the topic, context, reports and evidence so far and increasing probabilities; how calm the hearing committee, witnesses and attendees are. Thus it could easily appear overly well managed/staged.

Either way looks like this is re progressing purposefully again following a significant hiatus whilst the election was ongoing.
 
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Scrutinize said:
It's a lot of testimony in this formal openly broadcast context, from the key witnesses most with seemingly verified senior government and military roles, to simply dismiss it all without proper consideration and further review.
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I can easily dismiss it until concrete evidence is given to us which isn't going to happen.
Probably more than 50% of them also believe in God so not great testimony (I'm assuming being Americans).
Yes we will probably get a "This UAP is now confirmed as being of Chinese origin" etc.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I can easily dismiss it until concrete evidence is given to us which isn't going to happen.
Probably more than 50% of them also believe in God so not great testimony (I'm assuming being Americans).
Yes we will probably get a "This UAP is now confirmed as being of Chinese origin" etc.
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By your own admission, you've just wiped any of your remaining credibility now out in purposefully miss representing what I have posted when quite clearly in my same post (quoted below) I was very clear what there is and isn't evidence of in the public/SCI domains here.

I have only advised a very neutral objective evidence focused perspective on this whole series of proceedings from the initial ammendments to bills to enable whistle-blowers through to now.

It's clear you are highly emotionally invested in this whole series now, simply dismissing everything being presented in, by and too Congress/Senators/House on your own thoughts, logic and feelings not on what is actually being presented and by whom.

Scrutinize said:
.At this stage there is evidence of US Tax Funded activity & Programmes, some of which Inc contractors have been named, around UAPs, some Programmes do appear less transparent than others. No direct evidence of what the Programmes find though.
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Scrutinize said:
It's clear you are highly emotionally invested in this whole series now, simply dismissing everything being presented in, by and too Congress/Senators/House on your own thoughts, logic and feelings not on what is actually being presented and by whom.
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I am very invested, I've been into this stuff since 1970, way before any of you.
I still watch every new series that comes out, there's recently been two more, and NOTHING.
Just people making noise with zero evidence.
Give me something concrete before I die and I'll die a happy man.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I am very invested, I've been into this stuff since 1970, way before any of you.
I still watch every new series that comes out, there's recently been two more, and NOTHING.
Just people making noise with zero evidence.
Give me something concrete before I die and I'll die a happy man.
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But the primary purpose through the bill ammendments and whistleblower facilitation is disclosure of the Programmes which don't have proper congressional oversight ie where the tax $$$ are going and being spent without any restrictions or public knowledge and this, as reported by and to the Senators, could be multiple billions of $$$ over 50-70 years. There is publicised and documented evidence of this happening now. These hearings are to bring forward Congressional access to, oversight of and increased transparency and knowledge around the Programmes and agencies/prime contractors involved.

The whole identification and specific disclosure on UAPs being directly linked to and whether there is actually NHI or not has been conflated and inflated.
 
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Scrutinize said:
But the primary purpose through the bill ammendments and whistleblower facilitation is disclosure of the Programmes which don't have proper congressional oversight ie where the tax $$$ are going and being spent without any restrictions or public knowledge and this, as reported by and to the Senators, could be multiple billions of $$$ over 50-70 years. There is publicised and documented evidence of this happening now. These hearings are to bring forward Congressional access to, oversight of and increased transparency and knowledge around the Programmes and agencies/prime contractors involved.

The whole identification and specific disclosure on UAPs being directly linked to and whether there is actually NHI or not has been conflated and inflated.
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Still only noise, I want facts.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Still only noise, I want facts.
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Have you rationally read and watched any of the official US gvt publications and media on this?

If you have, then you would have seen the evidence presented about the Programmes being funded without oversight. At this stage, objectively you have the gvt agencies the prime contractors and Programmes themselves all being named and that they have recieved federal funding from US citizen tax $$$ and that they have limited, if any congressional oversight.

If you are irrationally looking for 'facts' about the existence of NHI from all this then no-one is going to answer that for you as this isn't part of the disclosure process.

One of the less radical hypothesis here; is simply that prime contractors were/are funded to undertake aerospace / weapons research and development since the 1940s post ww2 period and to maintain this at OTS levels propagated both secrecy and outcomes to maintain considerable funding on an ongoing basis. This is likely billions of guaranteed federal funded $$$ going to private enterprises so why would they want oversight, transparency and risk loss of income.

Testimony of whistle-blowers through the congressional pathway has been that the Programmes have lent significantly on whistle-blowers including threats to career and life hence the push for disclosure. This is about risk to Programme, agencies and their prime contractors funding and avoiding increased oversight being protected, not about whether there is NHI.

Releasing information on UAPs is purely linked to managing national security / operational risks to routine military operations and exercises and civilian airspace too. Whether UAPs are NHIs is purely conjecture. What they can't have in the extreme are tax funded military programmes without oversight testing UAPs causing collisions with civilian aircraft
 
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Scrutinize said:
Whether UAPs are NHIs is purely conjecture
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Eh?

This whole party got started, because people went on the TV and explicitly stated that the government had aliens, that aliens had hurt people and that the government were recovering their flying-saucers, and covering it up - which whipped everybody into a frenzy.

Also - some of the people appearing at these 'congressional hearings' (who also seem to have a hell of a lot to say) are writing books about aliens and selling them on Amazon.

I must have been born yesterday, because I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would say these sorts of things........ it's such a mystery!
 
Felon said:
Eh?

This whole party got started, because people went on the TV and explicitly stated that the government had aliens,
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No, this is not how it started. You either know that and are trying to miss-represent this whole process or you don't and are just presenting more third hand emotive throw away conjecture.

Just because you are trying to prove there are 'aliens' doesn't mean the rest of us who are rationally reviewing the disclosures (from the initial disclosures and discovery at a SL/DS review to bill ammendments through to the evidence being presented IP and SCI) are.
 
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The Galaxy and/or Universe is just way too being for there logically not to be intelligent life on many planets out there.

However the idea that they have managed to travel billions of miles and have been visiting us for what, over 75 years now - but are still "studying" and "taking samples", all without ever revealing themselves, is just ridiculous. How much information would they need, why travel here and not reveal themselves - outside of supposedly government (mainly American) circles. Governments who then let them carry on mutilating farm animals and abducting random individuals for no apparent reason - for nearly a century....yeah right, makes perfect sense. Over all that time still nothing other than grainy, blurred, out of focus pictures or video despite the now wide spread public use of devices that can capture high quality photos and video in a variety of challenging conditions.

At this stage no evidence means - hasnt happened.
 
Mint8 said:
The Galaxy and/or Universe is just way too being for there logically not to be intelligent life on many planets out there.
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Life definitely, intelligent to travel across space, hmmm.

Intelligent life on this planet took billions of years and the Earth went through many traumatic events to get there.
The chances of this happening again are pretty slim.
 
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