Pentagon releases UFO footage

Felon said:
I just think it's entertaining and interesting, how you can ask a simple question to the UFO nutters, such as: "What do you think these people are talking about?" - and it turns into several pages of waffle, then it becomes my fault for asking the question in the first place.

I just want a straight and simple answer.
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but you've had the answer you asked from pottsey several times. he thinks it might be animal biological material. you've had your straight and simple answer but you're still carrying on like someone trying to play a game of word 'gotcha' and failing miserably which makes you look just as silly as the 'it has to be Aliens' brigade.
 
Thekwango said:
he thinks it might be animal biological material.
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Ok, so when David Grusch says this in an interview:

Ross Coulthart: When you say crash retrieval program, what do you mean?
David Grusch: These are retrieving, non-human origin technical vehicles, call it spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles, which have either landed or crashed.
Ross Coulthart: We have spacecraft, from another species?
David Grusch: We do.
Ross Coulthart: How many?
David Grusch: Quite a number
Ross Coulthart: You're kidding!
David Grusch: No.
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Does that sound to you, like David Grusch is talking about animals?
 
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Felon said:
Ok, so when David Grusch says this in an interview:



Does that sound to you, like David Grusch is talking about animals?
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But David Grusch wasn't part of the hearing a couple of days ago, he wasn't on that panel giving evidence.

You can surely and rationally only expect responses to a) the published evidence in the public domain and b) given the current discussion is around disclosures at the recent hearing, you're asking questions that can't be answered beyond the very clear answers already given by @Pottsey and others.
 
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Felon said:
Ok, so when David Grusch says this in an interview:



Does that sound to you, like David Grusch is talking about animals?
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i don't care what Grusch is talking about. he can shout aliens, while stood buck naked on top the Empire State Building for all i care. but you engaged pottsey about 'aliens' - he's consistently told you he doesn't think it's aliens and doesn't agree with those claiming it's aliens. yet you keep trying to play this game of 'gotcha - you think it's aliens' with him, which is coming across as a bit silly.

so forgetting about Aliens - there does however appear to be evidence of non-human biological material, which then leaves the option that it's either plant or animal. pottsey suggested that perhaps what they recovered is an unknown human developed craft that may have had an animal occupant - not as a pilot or navigator - but probably as a 'meat sack' to determine what effect being inside a craft like this would have on flesh and bone.

there's nothing massively 'out there' with that suggestion, if indeed non human biological matter has been recovered from a crash site.
 
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visibleman said:
A lot of us don't agree with @Pottsey and the others but you don't need to be a **** and start throwing insults around because their opinions differ and the answers given to your question(s) isn't what you wanted to hear.
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that's the thing, there's a few folk come in here occasionally who genuinely are claiming it's aliens - they usually dip in and out. pottsey has repeatedly stated he doesn't think it's aliens. so not sure why he's the one folk seem to constantly attack. feel bloody sorry for the fella if i'm being honest.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Pottsey repeatedly says it isn't Aliens.
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Quite yet everyone here got subjected to Felon's merry-go-round because Pottsey didn't agree and threw in the "nutters" insult as a result - it's proper knuckle dragging type behaviour.

Tuppy_Glossop said:
Didn't they send a dog into space before they did a human?
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Lots of dogs have gone into space; Russia's Laika is the arguably the most famous/infamous though.
 
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Thekwango said:
i don't care what Grusch is talking about. he can shout aliens, while stood buck naked on top the Empire State Building for all i care. but you engaged pottsey about 'aliens' - he's consistently told you he doesn't think it's aliens and doesn't agree with those claiming it's aliens
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Do you not see the problem though?

@Pottsey says it isn't aliens. (no argument there)

However @Pottsey goes on to claim the congressional hearings and the people at them are legit, however the people providing the evidence and speaking at the hearings, (Primarily David Grusch and Luis Elizondo) claim that it is aliens, and also sell books and make TV shows based on that topic.

So it's inconsistent to say, 'it's not aliens' yet support and agree with the sworn testimony of people claiming it is.
 
Scrutinize said:
But David Grusch wasn't part of the hearing a couple of days ago, he wasn't on that panel giving evidence.
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Well he did appear in July last year, and had the following exchange with Tim Burchett:


I'll even provide a transcript for you, it's at 1:11:10
Tim Burchett: Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured, in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technologies?
David Grusch: Yes. Personally.
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Seem's pretty clear cut, that they're talking about aliens.
 
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Felon said:
Do you not see the problem though?

@Pottsey says it isn't aliens. (no argument there)

However @Pottsey goes on to claim the congressional hearings and the people at them are legit, however the people providing the evidence and speaking at the hearings, (Primarily David Grusch and Luis Elizondo) claim that it is aliens, and also sell books and make TV shows based on that topic.

So it's inconsistent to say, 'it's not aliens' yet support and agree with the sworn testimony of people claiming it is.
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He’s not supporting or agreeing with every single thing these people are saying though.

A hypothetical for you - If I have information pertaining to dodgy behind the scenes experimental aircraft development with capabilities far beyond what we currently see in operation and I see pound signs and start claiming aliens - that claim doesn’t negate the information I have. It might make me sound like a plum but again that doesn’t make the information I have any less correct.
But if other people tasked with finding out what this information I have is all about see it and go ‘wait a minute, there’s actually something going on here, we’re not sure ourselves exactly what but something funky is going on’ - it might just pique some people’s interest.
 
Thekwango said:
If I have information pertaining to dodgy behind the scenes experimental aircraft development with capabilities far beyond what we currently see in operation and I see pound signs and start claiming aliens - that claim doesn’t negate the information I have.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If no evidence is put forward, then the claim is meaningless - and if you continue making it, whilst using it to sell books - then that raises serious questions with regard to trust and honesty.
 
Felon said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If no evidence is put forward, then the claim is meaningless - and if you continue making it, whilst using it to sell books - then that raises serious questions with regard to trust and honesty.
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Exactly that is a very valid point and this whole disclosure process about the Programmes has been ongoing at Congressional level for significant time now.

If there was no supporting evidence, given the the nature of this process, surely the investigating Senators and currently serving senior US government officials would have easily concluded the matter?
 
Scrutinize said:
If there was no supporting evidence, given the the nature of this process, surely the investigating Senators and currently serving senior US government officials would have easily concluded the matter?
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To be fair, AARO looked at the evidence, concluded there was nothing unusual at all - but the person heading it up ended up receiving death threats and stepped down.

Regarding the senators 'investigating' things, I don't see anyone investigating anything - I see Luis Elizondo stood at a podium making extraordinary claims - when pushed for detail, he actually says nothing whatsoever, it's just waffle.
 
It's just seems so unnecessarily obtuse (the Luis interview) I don't know how they keep a straight face. Given all the eyes on it, if it's a pig wired up to a flying saucer why dodge the easy answer and use words like 'non-human' and 'bodies' instead.

Likewise Luis' pointlessly evasive answer to 'have we made contact / communicated with NH life'. On one hand we're taking about biologics from crash sites in whatever mess that would be. Versus the an example inspired by Pottsey, an AI craft that just so happens to have a pig inside, that is able to change trajectory when a couple of F22 fighters approach. I wouldn't personally use that as an example of 'communication' given the subject.

A fair few of the questions come across as being in on the massive time wasting circus in a 'wink, wink, aliens right?' kind of way. And Luis leans right on in to it. Even if the likely scenarios that Pottsey posed are the actuality.
 
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