Pentagon releases UFO footage

TheOracle said:
If tictac is military, they have been able to find the solution to the heating problem when traveling at mach 22 within the last 9 years. The best they could manage in 2012 was 13,000mph for 9mins before meltdown.

Not only that, they have also managed to reach that speed in under 0.5 seconds whilst being able to change in any direction in an instant. That tells me they have developed a new type of propulsion system.

I'd also like to know what material they are using.
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Fascinating questions for sure, none of which I can add anything too :)

My view on these things is simple.

1) I believe it possible that there could be worlds outside of our world with living things.
2) I believe it possible some of those are far far more advanced than us, some at a similar level and some in their infancy
3) I have not seen any credible evidence today that they have visited us, but again I remain open minded (it would be ace if they had)
4) Experience of 53 years of life teaches me that this is more likely a human creation.
5) Innovation often comes from progress and involves small tweaks over many years but sometimes comes from revolution (in short or moment in time events).

All conjecture but fair I think.
 
Housey said:
4) Experience of 53 years of life teaches me that this is more likely a human creation.
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Experience as a civilian though like the rest of us?
Whilst the world's most highly trained jet fighter pilots with decades under the belt cannot categorically confirm what they saw with their own eyes but what they are saying is that what they saw was certainly no known type of craft they have ever experienced. David Fravor's recollection of his tailing the tictac for example tells how it was mimicking his manoeuvres and the moment he tried to get closer during the spiral ascent, the thing shot right up beyond supersonic in an instant.

Personally I don't think humankind has the resources yet to be able to propel vehicles with negative gravity like this tictac was doing, and then go from the edge of space to sea level in the blink of an eye all with no signs of aerodynamic affects on the water or air surrounding it? Our militaries divisions are pretty advanced for sure, but science is science, and we have private companies working around the clock with near unlimited resources and funding trying to tackle this problem but we can only use the maximum capabilities of the resources we have available.

We have not even nailed nuclear fusion power generation yet in any meaningful manner although this will happen in our lifetimes.
 
mrk said:
Experience as a civilian though like the rest of us. Whilst the world's most highly trained jet fighter pilots with decades under the belt cannot categorically confirm what they saw with their own eyes.
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As they have for decades, as have airline pilots, this is just a new version of stuff reported for decades. New tech yes, different yes, but still a UFO not an alien until proven otherwise and my 53 years shows it has never been an alien to this point. Gut feel is all we have just because none of us understand it, believe it, means nothing.

Likelihood to me is it's human, which is all I am saying, there is no right or wrong until we know.
 
Maybe it was the aliens that caused C19?


dun dun derrrrrr


I would LOVE aliens to arrive in my lifetime. I for one support our insect overlords (to quote Kent Brockman)
 
Housey said:
Massively disagree, you are looking back with hindsight. Put yourself at the start of 1900's and look forward to today.
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This not the same situation as it was in 1900 vs now and that should just be obvious. We are now already in a relatively advanced state and maturity of technology by our own standards (taking into account our current base technologies that we rely on and have developed over the last 80+ years) and what we are seeing still looks so far advanced as to be like alien technology from another science. It's logically not the same comparison as you are suggesting.
 
they also can move super fast in the ocean like there's no resistance submarines have detected them.
I doubt any other country is anywhere near that level of technology certainly not china or russia.
 
Hades said:
The first stealth bomber was brought into service in 1997. I have no idea how long that took to develop but let's suggest 20 years. So in 1977 I expect there could have been military aircraft tracking what would have looked at the time as something quite unworldly and could not be tracked by radar. None of their weapons would have been able to get a lock either. With 34+ years of technological development I expect there will be amazing technologies which make modern aircraft look like toys.

I have no doubt that the universe is likely to be teaming with advanced life. But whether it has managed to visit us here is, in my opinion, unlikely. Not impossible mind you.
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Stealth F117 first flight was 1981 and declassified to the public in1991. However DOD insiders were well aware of it by 1983-84.

So if the visual accounts, IR and radar data are accurate, then what you are saying is that by 2004 the US had fully developed a completely new form of propulsion which they decided not to keep on the test range but to fly into the path of active training exercises.

They then continued to do this for the next 15 years not informing anyone in the DOD who were raising concerns about it.

This continued to the point where it escalates to prime time TV with a former President says he was briefed on it and they have no clue what it is.

It's actually just easier for me to believe that when they say they don't know what they are, they don't know what they are.
 
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Housey said:
Massively disagree, you are looking back with hindsight. Put yourself at the start of 1900's and look forward to today.
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Exactly this. Imagine looking at the future in 1900 and seeing people walking on the moon, people flying at more than the speed of sound, unmanned aircraft flying on mars, sending probes to land on asteroids, the ability to take organs such as the heart from one person and put them in another, or a tool in your pocket that will give you instant access to all knowledge ever gathered by anyone in the world and allow you to instantly communicate with almost anyone on the planet. At a time when you travelled long distance on a horse or steam train that would look quite remarkable.
 
MookJong said:
Stealth F117 first flight was 1981 and declassified to the public in1991. However DOD insiders were well aware of it by 1983-84.

So if the visual accounts, IR and radar data are accurate, then what you are saying is that by 2004 the US had fully developed a completely new form of propulsion which they decided not to keep on the test range but to fly into the path of active training exercises.

They then continued to do this for the next 13 years not informing anyone in the DOD who were raising concerns about it.

This continued to the point where it escalates to prime time TV with a former President says he was briefed on it but has no clue what it is.

It's actually just easier for me to believe that when they say they don't know what they are, they don't know what they are.
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Sound common sense... the chances of keeping such world-changing things secret are very remote. It's also possible, judging from the military personnel witness accounts that say senior command didn't look remotely surprised or concerned and even just walked away when shown the video evidence following the flight, that very senior military have at least known about the basic nature of these UFO's for some time and know that there is simply nothing they can do about it.

Hades said:
Exactly this. Imagine looking at the future in 1900 and seeing people walking on the moon, people flying at more than the speed of soud, unmanned aircraft flying on mars, sending probes to land on asteroids, the ability to take organs such as the heart from one person and put them in another, or a tool in your pocket that will give you instant access to all knowledge ever gathered by anyone in the world and allow you to instantly communicate with almost anyone on the planet. At a time when you travelled long distance on a horse or steam train that is quite remarkable.
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Exactly not this, for the reasons I stated. It's not even a logical or sensible comparison and I am not sure how you can think otherwise unless you are not thinking it through.
 
I don't know why people think countries have secret technology. yet they still build rockets to space that are still like 1980s propulsion and materials
 
Richdog said:
This not the same situation as it was in 1900 vs now and that should just be obvious. We are now already in a relatively advanced state and maturity of technology by our own standards (taking into account our current base technologies that we rely on and have developed over the last 80+ years) and what we are seeing still looks so far advanced as to be like alien technology from another science. It's logically not the same comparison as you are suggesting.
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You are doing exactly as I imply, framing it around todays pace of innovation.
 
Richdog said:
Exactly not this, for the reasons I stated. It's not even a logical or sensible comparison and I am not sure how you can think otherwise unless you are not thinking it through.
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Suggesting I am not thinking it through because I don't agree with you is a weak argument.
 
Whilst I wish it was true, I'm sure there are a long list of plausible explanations before 'aliens'. We think too much in terms of our own time frames and distances. Either way, we'll never know for sure.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Whilst I wish it was true, I'm sure there are a long list of plausible explanations before 'aliens'. We think too much in terms of our own time frames and distances. Either way, we'll never know for sure.
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How does it make sense to say that 'we will never know for sure'? Surely we will inevitably eventually find out if it is indeed human technology that is currently being tested? :confused:
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Whilst I wish it was true, I'm sure there are a long list of plausible explanations before 'aliens'
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What long list? Nobody in the know has a long list, they are saying exactly the opposite. The only option suggested so far is a foreign technology leap that the intelligence world somehow missed.
 
Housey said:
Maybe it was the aliens that caused C19?


dun dun derrrrrr


I would LOVE aliens to arrive in my lifetime. I for one support our insect overlords (to quote Kent Brockman)
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Less likely than winning the lotto :p

Genome sequencing has shown Covid19 originated from animals, plus that wet fish market in China had a previous outbreak in the early 2000s anyway and got closed down but re-opened again due to the Chinese preferring their financial economy over health and safety.

Think about it this way, let's assume humans figured out the technology, do you think the likes of Elon Musk would idly sit by building billion dollar rockets when he could instead bank roll this new tech and within moments have people farming the Moon, Mars etc?

We already know SpaceX will gleefully buy in people and companies that can help its efforts for space exploration. Logically it just doesn't make sense and there is no way blackops gov divisions could keep such things a secret for very long as well. We're talking about anti-gravity propulsion here, something that the mathematics says requires immense amounts of energy to generate and then control.
 
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For all we know the so called aliens could be indigenous to this planet since 2/3rds is largely unexplored and life in the oceans has had 3 billion years to evolve.
 
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