Pentagon releases UFO footage

The only way to travel the distances involved is some crazy warp drive that requires the power output of Jupiter to work... Or consinous gets upload to machine where biological time becomes irrelevant. It then boils down to enough materials for fuel/ upkeep.

Aliens will exist but been to earth on a visit at any time is 99.5% No.
 
Obama was clearly making a joke about the alien thing
He was not 'clearly joking' about the alien thing... the mention about things he can say on camera was purposeful. He then changed it to humour for the Area 51 part.

The only way to travel the distances involved is some crazy warp drive that requires the power output of Jupiter to work... Or consinous gets upload to machine where biological time becomes irrelevant. It then boils down to enough materials for fuel/ upkeep.

Aliens will exist but been to earth on a visit at any time is 99.5% No.

LOL... you seem like an expert. :D
 
LOL... you seem like an expert. :D

He's thinking like a human. Give a caveman an iphone and see what happens. We haven't a clue if you can travel across the universe. Just because we don't know how to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

The way I see it:

TicTac is either of this world or it isn't. Don't think anyone is arguing that point.

If it's of this world, we have developed secret technology far in advance of what the public has been told. 0 - 13,000mph in 0.5secs is very impressive. The nearest thing to it is the Darpa falcon, but unless major breakthroughs have been made within the last nine years, we have to assume it's not that, and therefore not of this world.

So then, if it's not of this world, and knowing the vast distances between the earth and the closest planet able to sustain life, we therefore have to assume it's either been traveling for millions of years, or it has technology that can some how cover those distances faster than light.
 
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He's thinking like a human. Give a caveman an iphone and see what happens. We haven't a clue if you can travel across the universe. Just because we don't know how to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
Precisely this. I am very "feet on the ground" guy, but we currently see the universe only through our own known and relatively recently developed (in terms of human history) laws of physics, which are also based on the three dimensions that we are aware of and the materials/properties/fuels that we have access to. We have absolutely no clue what civilizations who have been developing for many more thousands of years, who potentially have access to science and materials on other planets with different properties that we have no concept of, can do.

For all we know aliens may have traveled to this solar system many centuries ago and set up permanent bases on planets within our solar system that negate the need to constantly travel back and forth from their home systems. Alternatively, they may have propulsion or interstellar travel techniques that turn what we know on its head and that make navigating those distances feasible.

We are at the very beginning of our understanding of physics and space travel and innovative new theories are raised on a regular basis Warp drives: Physicists give chances of faster-than-light space travel a boost (theconversation.com)
 
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The next 5-10 years we will have some form of confirmation. This slow build-up the last few years points to that pretty much and now people in high ranking positions coming out publicly slowly confirming what they know is another tell. I still think it is not physical beings but instead machines though, from where? nobody knows yet because the technology is not understood. Mathematics is a universal language though and it will be understood as our technology evolves. Look how far we have come in a little over 100 years alone from the first flight that the people of the time thought would be impossible to flying a drone on Mars.

The logical reasoning in me points to something like this:

Flying objects observed directly by world militaries for decades, reports jotted down and archived in classified folders by their respective governments because national security and all that bs.
Fast forward to the present and it's too difficult to keep such things under wraps, previous diversion tactics aren't working any more (there's only so much swamp gas that can go round...) what with modern means to communicate and information leakages so these documents are being unclassified and the public are slowly being drip fed so it all starts to sink in that we are not alone in terms of intelligence, whether biological or machine based doesn't matter.

It helps greatly that rather than the media/news talking about it as satire, it is now being taken very seriously and well respected outfits like 60 minutes are pushing that along nicely. More and more people understand the science of space now too (as far as we know anyway) and readily available factual info is at our fingertips in real-time which has never been possible up until more recently.

I give it 10 years max which coincides not far off from our own technological singularity if I remember right.
 
The next 5-10 years we will have some form of confirmation. This slow build-up the last few years points to that pretty much and now people in high ranking positions coming out publicly slowly confirming what they know is another tell. I still think it is not physical beings but instead machines though, from where? nobody knows yet because the technology is not understood. Mathematics is a universal language though and it will be understood as our technology evolves. Look how far we have come in a little over 100 years alone from the first flight that the people of the time thought would be impossible to flying a drone on Mars.

The logical reasoning in me points to something like this:

Flying objects observed directly by world militaries for decades, reports jotted down and archived in classified folders by their respective governments because national security and all that bs.
Fast forward to the present and it's too difficult to keep such things under wraps, previous diversion tactics aren't working any more (there's only so much swamp gas that can go round...) what with modern means to communicate and information leakages so these documents are being unclassified and the public are slowly being drip fed so it all starts to sink in that we are not alone in terms of intelligence, whether biological or machine based doesn't matter.

It helps greatly that rather than the media/news talking about it as satire, it is now being taken very seriously and well respected outfits like 60 minutes are pushing that along nicely. More and more people understand the science of space now too (as far as we know anyway) and readily available factual info is at our fingertips in real-time which has never been possible up until more recently.

I give it 10 years max which coincides not far off from our own technological singularity if I remember right.
Agree with most of this as it is also my line of common sense thinking. No idea if the craft would be unmanned or not, although AI technology that doesn't need to eat or sleep and that can just engage in constant monitoring would make a lot of sense when considering the distances involved. However, I am of course thinking by my own perception of eating and sleeping and maybe other species have found much better ways to deal with the need for food and sleep than we have.

Of course there is a possibility that the UFO's terrestrial, but then again pretty much every country in the world with an advanced military has also reported similar sightings and any technology that can dramatically change direction and speed at the drop of a hat without falling from the sky or without killing the pilot would appear to be way ahead of anything currently recorded as in military use.
 
Worth watching this too as an overview:


Worth noting that this video was from August last year, whereas in the latest interviews with David, he confirms that the men in black who confiscated the tapes back then was merely a prank pulled by other crewmen and that he promptly got the tapes back as they were hidden. They were mocked and pranked by crewmen after the incident from his interview.
 
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I do find this fascinating, but I am fairly confident it will be a military device of some sort undergoing its test regime.

It could indeed be a military test device... but it would have to be a military device that defies our known laws of physics and aerodynamics and that can deceive trained military personnel and the worlds most advanced levels of military sensor technology. It would be so far beyond anything known to mainstream science that it appears alien. Something so advanced that to have kept such world-changing technology secret would be a mammoth undertaking.

If that is the case and is of terrestrial origin, then we may be due some pretty wondrous innovations within the next 50-100 years. Wondrous... and frightening.
 
I find it strange that people don't believe in aliens and advanced ones at that. Considering the progress we have made in the past 200 years with technology and humans as we know them have only been around for about 200,000 years, its not really very likely that somewhere in the vastness of space another species hasn't developed far earlier than us. 13.8bn years vs what has happened here in only a few hundred thousands.

I find it almost improbably that there are not thousands of species out there. Imagine what the human race will be like after 1m years (if we get that far which I don't think we will in any meaningful way).
 
It could indeed be a military test device... but it would have to be a military device that defies our known laws of physics and aerodynamics and that can deceive trained military personnel and the worlds most advanced levels of military sensor technology. It would be so far beyond anything known to mainstream science that it appears alien. Something so advanced that to have kept such world-changing technology secret would be a mammoth undertaking.
The first stealth bomber was brought into service in 1997. I have no idea how long that took to develop but let's suggest 20 years. So in 1977 I expect there could have been military aircraft tracking what would have looked at the time as something quite unworldly and could not be tracked by radar. None of their weapons would have been able to get a lock either. With 34+ years of technological development I expect there will be amazing technologies which make modern aircraft look like toys.

I have no doubt that the universe is likely to be teaming with advanced life. But whether it has managed to visit us here is, in my opinion, unlikely. Not impossible mind you.
 
The last 50-100 years have been remarkable
Indeed. My late grandfather was born into a world dominated by horse and cart. I think cars had just been invented but they would be very rare. Even the telegraph was a relatively recent invention when he was born.
 
The last 50-100 years have been remarkable
Indeed. My late grandfather was born into a world dominated by horse and cart. I think cars had just been invented but they would be very rare. Even the telegraph was a relatively recent invention when he was born.
I agree the last 50-100 years have been remarkable but I am not sure that there were such drastic improvements as the ones that would be needed to go from winged aircraft using jet propulsion to humming spheres that defy the laws of gravity as we know them. If that were true it would appear to have skipped numerous generations of technological process in ways unknown to modern science.

Even the stealth bomber, as advanced as it was, was still a winged aircraft using jet propulsion and abiding by the commonly understood laws of aerodynamics. Those UFO's would represent a quantum leap ahead of anything else on the planet, including even the most bleeding-edge military technology, to the point where almost everything else was immediately obselete. It would change the fabric of our society overnight.
 
The last 50-100 years have been remarkable

If tictac is military, they have been able to find the solution to the heating problem when traveling at mach 22 within the last 9 years. The best they could manage in 2012 was 13,000mph for 9mins before meltdown.

Not only that, they have also managed to reach that speed in under 0.5 seconds whilst being able to change in any direction in an instant. That tells me they have developed a new type of propulsion system.

I'd also like to know what material they are using.
 
I agree the last 50-100 years have been remarkable but I am not sure that there were such drastic improvements as the ones that would be needed to go from winged aircraft using jet propulsion to humming spheres that defy the laws of gravity as we know them. If that were true it would appear to have skipped numerous generations of technological process in ways unknown to modern science.

Massively disagree, you are looking back with hindsight. Put yourself at the start of 1900's and look forward to today.
 
The first stealth bomber was brought into service in 1997. I have no idea how long that took to develop but let's suggest 20 years. So in 1977 I expect there could have been military aircraft tracking what would have looked at the time as something quite unworldly and could not be tracked by radar. None of their weapons would have been able to get a lock either. With 34+ years of technological development I expect there will be amazing technologies which make modern aircraft look like toys.

I have no doubt that the universe is likely to be teaming with advanced life. But whether it has managed to visit us here is, in my opinion, unlikely. Not impossible mind you.

Is that the B2 Spirit that you’re talking about? If so then you’ve forgotten about the F117 Nighthawk which was used in the Balkan wars way back in the early ‘90

EDIT - mixing up my wars. It was used in the first Gulf War in the early ‘90s. Balkans was late ‘90s. Wikipedia says that it’s maiden flight was in ‘81 btw. 20 years of development suggests the 1960s for development start
 
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