Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Angilion]

I concur. Brian Cox said about it recently, if the military experts don't know what they are then neither does he. The correct phrase would be: "I do not know what that is." Full stop. [..]

Which is, as far as I can tell given that the report has not yet been released, what the report says. "We didn't know what it was. We investigated and were unable to conclusively prove what it was, so we still don't know what it was."

Not: "I do not know what that is, but..." and then wildly speculating without any extra evidence.

And then claiming that the report supports whatever it is you wanted it to support because it doesn't rule it out.

The report also won't rule out that the remaining unexplained incidents were sightings of the ancient Greek gods riding through the skies in chariots. Does that mean we should all convert to the ancient Greek religion because the report proves that the ancient Greek gods exist? Better get excuses ready in case some of those gods come to one of us demanding a ruling to settle an argument between them. The excuses won't help, but at least you can try. Although maybe they'd be more into modern tech now and demand that the ruling be made by means of a poll somewhere. Maybe here! The Judgement of OcUK Forums.

Speculation is fine. Even wild speculation. But it shouldn't be confused with evidence.

 

[ethan]

In that hypothetical case of a person who might or might not have had anything to do with the government investigation into UFOs and who might or might not have said in a report that hasn't yet been released that the lights seen in the sky were making instantaneous turns at hypersonic speeds, climbing at wildly implausible rates and had no detectable means of propulsion...my conclusion is that if that actually happened the UFOs were probably lights or sensor malfunctions and not physical objects.

But as yet there's no evidence of even that. None of the evidence available to the public shows anything like the claims being made.

I would agree. Saying this, you would think they would have confirmed the data amongst the other 13 ships that are part of the battle group.

In conjunction with corroboration from the eyewitnesses I read/heard somwhere, the objects had been detected due to an upgrade in their systems.

Confirmed on the 25th or otherwise, it will be interesting to see where this goes. Saying that, it's one heck of a paradigm shift for humanity to leave the door open to extraterrestrials given the way the subject has been tackled previously.

I'm wondering what CETE and the astronomical community are thinking about this, bearing in mind a sizeable amount used to report UAP's on a regular basis in spite of the ridicule? I think Nasa have jumped on board recently to take the matter more seriously.

Interestingly a new material with less heat expansion has been designed to accommodate for the high temperature extremes of hypersonic flight:
https://youtu.be/PcpAWed_0XA

 

[The Running Man]

I would agree. Saying this, you would think they would have confirmed the data amongst the other 13 ships that are part of the battle group.

In conjunction with corroboration from the eyewitnesses I read/heard somwhere, the objects had been detected due to an upgrade in their systems.

Confirmed on the 25th or otherwise, it will be interesting to see where this goes. Saying that, it's one heck of a paradigm shift for humanity to leave the door open to extraterrestrials given the way the subject has been tackled previously.

I'm wondering what CETE and the astronomical community are thinking about this, bearing in mind a sizeable amount used to report UAP's on a regular basis in spite of the ridicule? I think Nasa have jumped on board recently to take the matter more seriously.

Yes and no, people have believed in gods for millenia and most if them were not from earth.

Infact you could argue that the combined number of Christians, Muslims and Jews means that over 50% of the worlds population believe in beings not from this planet.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

What you mean is you've always had an interest in trying to put people down like you are doing now. Quite frankly I'm fed up of your incessant and paranoic ******** where you think you know better than other people because you're prepared to shout over them. Jesus. You reiterated the same argument years ago to me. Telling me you've read more than anybody about these things-including me, without knowing a single thing about me, my occupation or even my background. I'm sorry Dave but it wears a bit thin over the years.

and vice versa

You see Aliens/UFOs everywhere and I see none even though we read and watch the same stuff.

 

[ethan]

Ignore

 

[petridish]

Which is, as far as I can tell given that the report has not yet been released, what the report says. "We didn't know what it was. We investigated and were unable to conclusively prove what it was, so we still don't know what it was."



And then claiming that the report supports whatever it is you wanted it to support because it doesn't rule it out.

The report also won't rule out that the remaining unexplained incidents were sightings of the ancient Greek gods riding through the skies in chariots. Does that mean we should all convert to the ancient Greek religion because the report proves that the ancient Greek gods exist? Better get excuses ready in case some of those gods come to one of us demanding a ruling to settle an argument between them. The excuses won't help, but at least you can try. Although maybe they'd be more into modern tech now and demand that the ruling be made by means of a poll somewhere. Maybe here! The Judgement of OcUK Forums.

Speculation is fine. Even wild speculation. But it shouldn't be confused with evidence.

Very sensible post. There's a reason the term 'phenomena' has been used. The people in this thread categorically saying that 'craft have been detected' are making a bit of a leap in my opinion.

Edit: sorry that's not an attack at anyone here, just me saying that I don't think that's the next most logical conclusion to go to.

 

[GGizmo]

I can understand that we should all be reasonable in speculation of what the conclusions are.

But some people are acting like the Pentagon is a kid down the road investigating this.

This is the Pentagon that has more information at its finger tips than any other agency on the planet.

If they are saying they can't identify what these UFO's are then that means they have tried to recreate it and been unable to.

So there can only be 2 answers. 1. Is it technology from another country that hasn't been revealed to the Pentagon via their information channels.. OR 2. it is of an unknown origin.

There is no disputing the objects are there. The report is asking to identify what they are.

I question though why this is being looked in to now. I don't buy this "oops, we forgot we'd put that joking line in about revealing all the reports on UFO's" guff. The government doesn't make mistakes on this scale. Those bills are read by many people before they are submitted. If you believe it just slipped by all the US officials then I've got a house to sell you on the beach.

 

[Angilion]

I can understand that we should all be reasonable in speculation of what the conclusions are.

But some people are acting like the Pentagon is a kid down the road investigating this.

This is the Pentagon that has more information at its finger tips than any other agency on the planet.

If they are saying they can't identify what these UFO's are then that means they have tried to recreate it and been unable to.

You're assuming that they're taking it as seriously as some people are and have been throwing resources at it as a high priority.

So there can only be 2 answers. 1. Is it technology from another country that hasn't been revealed to the Pentagon via their information channels.. OR 2. it is of an unknown origin.

Yes. Unknown. Could be aliens. Could be Zeus. Could be faeries. Could be a natural phenomena. Could be an optical illusion. Could be a sensor malfunction. Could be false memories. Could be ghosts. Could be time travelling humans. Could be a secret project that will remain secret. It's unknown to the people reporting to Congress (or so they say). That doesn't mean it's unknown to everyone.

There is no disputing the objects are there. The report is asking to identify what they are.

There certainly should be dispute about the objects being there because in most if not all cases no objects were seen. Only lights.

I question though why this is being looked in to now. I don't buy this "oops, we forgot we'd put that joking line in about revealing all the reports on UFO's" guff. The government doesn't make mistakes on this scale. Those bills are read by many people before they are submitted. If you believe it just slipped by all the US officials then I've got a house to sell you on the beach.

The degree of importance you attach to it isn't necessarily the same as the degree of importance someone else attaches to it.

 

[koolpc]

I can understand that we should all be reasonable in speculation of what the conclusions are.

But some people are acting like the Pentagon is a kid down the road investigating this.

This is the Pentagon that has more information at its finger tips than any other agency on the planet.

If they are saying they can't identify what these UFO's are then that means they have tried to recreate it and been unable to.

So there can only be 2 answers. 1. Is it technology from another country that hasn't been revealed to the Pentagon via their information channels.. OR 2. it is of an unknown origin.

There is no disputing the objects are there. The report is asking to identify what they are.

I question though why this is being looked in to now. I don't buy this "oops, we forgot we'd put that joking line in about revealing all the reports on UFO's" guff. The government doesn't make mistakes on this scale. Those bills are read by many people before they are submitted. If you believe it just slipped by all the US officials then I've got a house to sell you on the beach.

Totally agree.

 

[Digital X]

Make of this what you will. Dunno if I can link the thread due to swearing but here's a screenshot. It can be found on the r/UFO's subreddit.

Phoenix Lights: https://i.imgur.com/8JBnog0.jpg

 

[wolfie138]

This is the Pentagon that has more information at its finger tips than any other agency on the planet.
If they are saying they can't identify what these UFO's are then that means they have tried to recreate it and been unable to.

that's a bit naive. it could also meant they know exactly what they are but are pretending not to. it's called lying. or disinformation, or misdirection, depending on how you look at it.

 

[GGizmo]

that's a bit naive. it could also meant they know exactly what they are but are pretending not to. it's called lying. or disinformation, or misdirection, depending on how you look at it.

The point I was making is that anything the Pentagon does or says is highly significant, even if they are lying etc.

There will be a serious motive behind this move. Why would they bring this whole subject up now? They have legitimised the subject by making this report, and by the sounds of it are going to leave the answer open ended.

 

[koolpc]

They could be preparing the world for the fact that we very well may be not alone! Who knows.

 

[Richdog]

The point I was making is that anything the Pentagon does or says is highly significant, even if they are lying etc.

There will be a serious motive behind this move. Why would they bring this whole subject up now? They have legitimised the subject by making this report, and by the sounds of it are going to leave the answer open ended.

Yup. They have clearly changed their policy on the secrecy surrounding all of this, as the sightings can no longer reasonably be ignored or blamed on mundane things. That in itself is a clear signal that there is something to them... otherwise simply would not be doing what they are doing by dedicating money, resources and media attention to it.

 

[Felon]

It's funny reading about the origin of all this, and how it started;

This all started simply because someone who says he worked for the Pentagon on their UFO program (which in itself is a contested claim), leaked some videos to the press in 2017 and said it was aliens. The person in question then helped setup a company (to the stars academy) with a guy from Blink 182, they then went on a media interview binge about aliens, most probably to get some investors onboard. The press predictably blew their load and started an entire hullabaloo about it. Then a pilot (David Fravor) came out of the woodwork and conveniently decided to speak up about it (for cash of course), so on, so forth. The two things (2017 leaked videos, and David Fravor's 2004 encounter) frequently get incorrectly lumped together as being the same incident.

Amid this maelstrom of silliness, and the press spamming the Pentagon 24/7 for a response, they reviewed the videos - found that there's really nothing sensitive about them. They came out and said; "Yes there are some videos" (gofast, gimble, flir) "We don't know what they were" and they declassified the videos, which were already in the pubic domain. To go with this, they came out with some generic, non-specific statements about how they'll take these types of incursions seriously. (because that's the sort of thing that the department of defense is obviously going to say)

I mean, it just looks like people are being played by a small number of quite clever people, who've managed to manipulate the media and the gullible into thinking there's some scary coverup/conspiracy. The people doing the playing know that the Pentagon don't know what they are, and do won't confirm or deny (because they can't) so the whole story can't be proved false, so that means that it's aliens.

Edit;

It's also important to note that Tom Delonge's company (to the stars academy) produced the 2019 History Channel series "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO program" TV series. So there's a serious, direct conflict of interest issue here. Because the people originally involved with the leak, are now making TV shows about it.

 

[Richdog]

It's funny reading about the origin of all this, and how it started;

This all started simply because someone who says he worked for the Pentagon on their UFO program (which in itself is a contested claim), leaked some videos to the press in 2017 and said it was aliens. The person in question then helped setup a company (to the stars academy) with a guy from Blink 182, they then went on a media interview binge about aliens, most probably to get some investors onboard. The press predictably blew their load and started an entire hullabaloo about it. Then a pilot (David Fravor) came out of the woodwork and conveniently decided to speak up about it (for cash of course), so on, so forth. The two things (2017 leaked videos, and David Fravor's 2004 encounter) frequently get incorrectly lumped together as being the same incident.

Amid this maelstrom of silliness, and the press spamming the Pentagon 24/7 for a response, they reviewed the videos - found that there's really nothing sensitive about them. They came out and said; "Yes there are some videos" (gofast, gimble, flir) "We don't know what they were" and they declassified the videos, which were already in the pubic domain. To go with this, they came out with some generic, non-specific statements about how they'll take these types of incursions seriously. (because that's the sort of thing that the department of defense is obviously going to say)

I mean, it just looks like people are being played by a small number of quite clever people, who've managed to manipulate the media and the gullible into thinking there's some scary coverup/conspiracy. The people doing the playing know that the Pentagon don't know what they are, and do won't confirm or deny (because they can't) so the whole story can't be proved false, so that means that it's aliens.

Edit;

It's also important to note that Tom Delonge's company (to the stars academy) produced the 2019 History Channel series "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO program" TV series. So there's a serious, direct conflict of interest issue here. Because the people originally involved with the leak, are now making TV shows about it.

I find it genuinely fascinating to see people like yourself who waltz into threads trying to give the casual yet concrete impression that you are privy, without even providing your sources, to the "full story" and know more than the apparently clueless Pentagon.

"It's funny reading about the origin of this, and how it started".

I mean seriously, just lol at how hard you are trying to sound knowledgeable about a version of events that you objectively cannot be 100% sure is factual.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I did read a piece about TDeL not long back only because I listen to B182 and realised he went into aliens and was in severe debt (or it portrayed that in the stories). I can see why this pattern has been linked, again Im not too excited until more actions spur off this other than 'pentagon makes a statement'.

 

[Felon]

I mean seriously, just lol at how hard you are trying to sound knowledgeable about a version of events that you objectively cannot be sure is factual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo

After resigning from his career with AATIP, Elizondo in October 2017 joined To the Stars company. Elizondo also distributed three videos to the press that were made by pilots from the United States Navy aircraft carriers USS Nimitz and USS Theodore Roosevelt which became known as the Pentagon UFO videos.[19][20] The release was accompanied by the first mainstream press reporting on the existence of the AATIP.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLonge

In 2015, DeLonge founded an entertainment company called To The Stars, Inc. which, in 2017 he merged into a larger To the Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences. Aside from the entertainment division, the new company has aerospace and science divisions dedicated to ufology and the fringe science proposals of To the Star's co-founder, Harold Puthoff.[98]

In a 2018 financial statement filed with the SEC, the company reported that it "has incurred losses from operations and has an accumulated deficit at June 30, 2018 of $37,432,000. These factors raise doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern."[99]

In 2019, the company produced the History Channel television show Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation, about the USS Nimitz UFO incident, which also features DeLonge.[100]

I mean, I'll just come out and say it; If anybody is prepared to just happily skim over all of these glaringly obvious problematic, conflicts of interest, coupled with the fact that these people have had more than enough time to cook up a cockamamie story, about "trans-medium propulsion" anti-gravity, aliens, tic-tacs etc. Then it's a failure of deductive reasoning and judgement on their part, not mine.

Also, at no point am I saying the Pentagon is clueless. But they had to face an inconvenient reality; At one point - their leaked videos from their jets were being played live on the news, and the news media were going nuts about it. If the Pentagon had not responded at all, it would have fueled all the fires and nonsense even further and not gone away. So they did all they could do - declassify the videos and make a few generic statements, because they were stuck between a rock and a hard-place, they likely have far more important things to be doing, than wasting their time batting foaming news reporters away all day and night.

 

[ethan]

If the Pentagon had not responded at all, it would have fueled all the fires and nonsense even further and not gone away.

You mean like they've done since 1945? They responded because they were clearly out of their depth trying to provide answers to a capability seemingly far more advanced than their own. It must have been a truly WTF moment.

 

[Felon]

You mean like they've done since 1945? They responded because they were clearly out of their depth trying to provide answers to a capability seemingly far more advanced than their own. It must have been a truly WTF moment.

That's nonsense, because nothing has been shown anywhere that demonstrates anything advanced at all, so they've nothing to worry about and nothing to answer there.

If a video or any actual evidence existed, showing objects teleporting around and doing insane things then yes, they'd have problems. But there's no such video, or any other such evidence that's ever been shown.