Pentagon releases UFO footage

Screeeech said:
When I mean "show me" I mean, link a specific part of the video which shows something behaving in a way which is "advanced"

Not somebody who's being paid, to say that 1:05 is apparently evidence of anti-gravity tech. :cry:

Also - the green video of the pyramid shaped object, is lens flare. (it really is lens flare)
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She is expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion based on her experience of flying fighter jets. Whether she's being paid is irrelevant - it doesn't counteract her's and everybody's current understanding of flight mechanics.

By anti gravity she is is merely expressing an opinion the object is able to remain Airborne through non conventional means and at relatively fast speed without wings or the need to generate lift. The use of the word is simply a metaphor to try to explain something quite unexplainable. The terminology takes nothing away from the observation/experience of something - according to current understanding shouldn't even be flying.

You were the one asking for indications of something extraordinary along with the object that was corroborately measured to have travelled 46,000 mph.
 
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ethan said:
Whether she's being paid is irrelevant - it doesn't counteract here's and everybody's current understanding of flight mechanics.
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Well I think it is relevant, when she's claiming the "green pyramid" is some sort of UFO tech, when it's clearly just lens flare of a plane;


As for anti-gravity, there's no evidence of anti-gravity in the video, merely a video of an blob which has a funny shape because the sensor is clipping and it's causing an artifact (you can even see it rotate as the camera rotates on it's mount).

There's also no evidence that anything was ever corroborated to have been moving in the atmosphere at 46000mph, because that's basically impossible. If it was true and it did indeed happen, there would be far more information to go off, other than a few random people being interviewed by the media.

Unless you have actual data which you can provide, which actually has conclusive evidence, that something was actually hovering and it wasn't simply an illusion, or misinterpretation. Or regarding the other object it was actually moving at 46000mph and wasn't equipment malfunction, or someone making a mistake?
 
Screeeech said:
Well I think it is relevant, when she's claiming the "green pyramid" is some sort of UFO tech, when it's clearly just lens flare of a plane;


As for anti-gravity, there's no evidence of anti-gravity in the video, merely a video of an blob which has a funny shape because the sensor is clipping and it's causing an artifact (you can even see it rotate as the camera rotates on it's mount).

There's also no evidence that anything was ever corroborated to have been moving in the atmosphere at 46000mph, because that's basically impossible. If it was true and it did indeed happen, there would be far more information to go off, other than a few random people being interviewed by the media.

Unless you have actual data which you can provide, which actually has conclusive evidence, that something was actually hovering and it wasn't simply an illusion, or misinterpretation. Or regarding the other object it was actually moving at 46000mph and wasn't equipment malfunction, or someone making a mistake?
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It's a pretty obvious and fair bet that anybody using the amount of technical equipment and weaponry at their disposable would be competent enough to use it or we would all be in trouble. Based on that, I'd rather trust their judgement than yours or that of a blinkered troll.
 
d_brennen said:
People are terrible witnesses
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Or they could just be hoaxing. Once you start to look into the whole UFO thing its all hoaxes with varying degrees of sophistication. I could make a video on my phone pointing at an unfocused fly on a window pointing at the sky :) That's a UFO!!

Is there a law about making UFOs up? So if it gets found out its not an alien spacecraft nothing happens. But if some people do believe in the aliens theory you could sell a load of UFO books and mech!!
 
keyser said:
Or they could just be hoaxing. Once you start to look into the whole UFO thing its all hoaxes with varying degrees of sophistication. I could make a video on my phone pointing at an unfocused fly on a window pointing at the sky :) That's a UFO!!

Is there a law about making UFOs up? So if it gets found out its not an alien spacecraft nothing happens. But if some people do believe in the aliens theory you could sell a load of UFO books and mech!!
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This is the US government doing this report. Not the kid down the road.

The government would know exactly what phone you did it with, your gps location, times, dates etc.... even if you turned all the options off.
 
Screeeech said:
So you think, that if those videos contained actual evidence of secret alien/government tech, that they'd just give them to this guy at the drop of a hat, and allow him to hand them over to CNN, FOX etc?

It just makes no sense.

The only way it makes sense, is if the videos have no importance at all, show nothing interesting at all and are basically totally benign in nature (which is exactly what they are)
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Absolutely, they were likely picked because Elizondo knew they did not show anything controversial and so would get declassified as unknown drones. We know they are clipped from much longer sequences, who did this clipping and who chose what to submit I have not seen documented.

They were only handed over to one newspaper the New York Times.

It was the Pentagon that later formally released them as they had been decalssified by Elizondo's actions.
 
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MookJong said:
Absolutely, they were likely picked because Elizondo he knew they did not show anything controversial
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So, he does this with these videos which don't show anything controversial, he then goes on to spend all his efforts convincing people and the media (for $$) that these videos are evidence of alien/secret technology. He then joins a company with a guy from Blink 182, to help make TV shows about aliens (for $$), all the time using these non-controversial videos as supporting evidence.

I mean - I don't see any problem here, this all seems legit to me :cry:
 
BowdonUK said:
This is the US government doing this report. Not the kid down the road.

The government would know exactly what phone you did it with, your gps location, times, dates etc.... even if you turned all the options off.
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I think the Pentagon is just confirming the video is original footage.. of, unconfirmed, but mostly likely, lenses flare.

Well that information you are describing is metadata in files. That can be changed or deleted using software, or right click properties, or open in notepad, or hex editor etc. I'm not really sure where you were going with that.
 
Screeeech said:
So, he does this with these videos which don't show anything controversial, he then goes on to spend all his efforts convincing people and the media (for $$) that these videos are evidence of alien/secret technology. He then joins a company with a guy from Blink 182, to help make TV shows about aliens (for $$), all the time using these non-controversial videos as supporting evidence.

I mean - I don't see any problem here, this all seems legit to me :cry:
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This is pretty much correct yes, where your argument needs to be qualified is that he left AATIP to start up what you infer is a scam for cash.

His resignation letter and actions around leaving point to an alternative narrative. That he was frustrated the Pentagon was not properly handling these highly unusual events and that he would force their hand via private enterprise.

Lue has said that if the data he has seen is not released in good time by the Pentagon to the scientific community he will run for Congress on a ticket to get it released.

We will see what he does.

What you also have to factor into all of this is that Delonge was working with this guy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_McCasland

It looks likely Lues resignation was a coordinated move with him knowing McCasland was backing this push to bring the story to the media.
 
MookJong said:
This is pretty much correct yes, where your argument needs to be qualified is that he left AATIP to start up what you infer is a scam for cash.
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Which do you think is the most likely, reasonable explanation?

A: Luis Elizondo has seen legitimate, real evidence of physics defying alien and / or secret government technology which really exists, and is essentially taking on the US government to get them to release the truth. This will be done through an eleborate scheme involving an ex Blink 182 member (who just so happens to be a known conspiracy theorist) and a company which makes TV shows to do with aliens. The pressure brought to bare will ensure that the real truth being covered up, will eventually come out.

Or

B: It's a strategy to deceive, using legitimate but otherwise benign videos obtained via the Pentagon, misrepresenting them as evidence of aliens to gain as many media interviews and as much publicity as possible. Essentially enacting a money making ploy to get cash and investment into their company "to the stars academy". Despite the alien tech being false, the vague, poor quality videos coupled with exaggerated / fake (David Fravor) evidence, can never really be used to prove or disprove anything, and the whole thing can essentially be strung along forever.
 
Screeeech said:
Which do you think is the most likely, reasonable explanation?

A: Luis Elizondo has seen legitimate, real evidence of physics defying alien and / or secret government technology which really exists, and is essentially taking on the US government to get them to release the truth. This will be done through an eleborate scheme involving an ex Blink 182 member (who just so happens to be a known conspiracy theorist) and a company which makes TV shows to do with aliens. The pressure brought to bare will ensure that the real truth being covered up, will eventually come out.

Or

B: It's a strategy to deceive, using legitimate but otherwise benign videos obtained via the Pentagon, misrepresenting them as evidence of aliens to gain as many media interviews and as much publicity as possible. Essentially enacting a money making ploy to get cash and investment into their company "to the stars academy". Despite the alien tech being false, the vague, poor quality videos coupled with exaggerated / fake (David Fravor) evidence, can never really be used to prove or disprove anything, and the whole thing can essentially be strung along forever.
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Luis Elizondo worked for the US government at high levels. He's not some basement dwelling conspiracy theorist. So in both your options its the US government controlling the narrative.

I'm not discounting that this might be being used for some other motive. Maybe this is technology the US already as. We know that sightings years ago turned out to be the stealth aircraft technology being tested. So this could be the US flexing its advanced technology to China as a warning not to start a war or we'll bring out craft and weapons the world as never seen. China is already using laser phasers that burn people.

The 1980s version of me as seen technology today that we could only dream of back then. So its not going to be a shock to me if we find out we have anti-gravity air craft flying around, where-ever they are from.
 
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