Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Richdog]

Yes, even if the world went Taoist there would probably be some individuals promoting neo-Taoism which would be more oppressive and benefit one side and not another. Just as the Romans did with Christianity when they invaded us; they essentially promoted their religion as a neo-Paganism of the time.

Well, it would be relative to that world but I really can't start musing on what an alien religion might be like! One would hope that it would be non-abusive and non-oppressive. It would have to be, in fact, if this is an advanced civilisation.

If we can presume that alien life started the same way as ours did, fighting for survival, then the only way to advance would have been a conscious, coordinated, mass-effort to break away from psychological and biological programming. How on Earth [haha] one does that here, I have no idea. Though I would argue that as long as Capitalism is around, it isn't going to happen.

There is no guarantee that any advanced alien life is peaceful or has good motives, that's just what we theorize and of course hope to be true for any advanced and thus presumably more enlightened civilization. But for all we know, galactic wars are raging as we speak.

If any civilization is visiting us it's likely that they are at least neutral to us, considering we are still here and oblivious. However, like many movies have played with, they could be studying us and our resources to see if it is worth taking what we have. I would say that the chance of peaceful vs aggressive is 'probably' higher though.

I think that the idea that we could be rescued by superhuman beings with superhuman abilities, superhuman wisdom and superhuman enlightenment who would solve all of humanity's problems is nice, but it sounds like a religion to me. Much nicer than other religions, but still the external superhuman saviour thing.

With the obvious difference that one would then be tangible and real and the other... wouldn't?

 

[Angilion]

[..] With the obvious difference that one would then be tangible and real and the other... wouldn't?

If either was real they'd be real, so that's not a difference at the moment since both are a matter of faith.

[..] If any civilization is visiting us it's likely that they are at least neutral to us, considering we are still here and oblivious. However, like many movies have played with, they could be studying us and our resources to see if it is worth taking what we have. I would say that the chance of peaceful vs aggressive is 'probably' higher though. [..]

If they exist, they'll have practical interstellar travel and so I'd be very surprised if they'd be interested in our resources. What resources are on Earth that aren't anywhere else and can't be made with such advanced technology? Only (at least potentially) lifeforms. Which could be something, I suppose. Maybe they'd want potatoes or something, who knows?

I think studying us would be more likely. It's likely that humans and human civilisations are unique, at least at this particular point in time. That would make us interesting to people into that sort of thing. Sociologists. Maybe some historians, on the basis that we might provide some insight into their ancient history, way back when their distant ancestors were at our level of technology. Biologists, probably. A whole planet full of lifeforms previously unknown to them would probably interest a fair few biologists. Maybe there's an alien biologist who's right now writing a paper on the pack structure of hyenas or something. Do hyenas have a pack structure? Well, they'd be plenty of things to interest a biologist. Maybe they have an ethics group that has spent the last 100 years debating how best to interact with humans, if at all. Maybe anything. Maybe they are gods and it all comes full circle.

 

[RxR]

At least in psychosis, aliens and their craft sometimes appear in consciousness during a prolonged concurrent existential crisis - initially as helpers (usu). I developed a regrounding therapy (recovery logic) for such cases years ago.

 

[ethan]

It is interesting to note that China has recently set up a UAP /Advanced Ariel Threat Identification Taskforce.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH5nuqa-0w

 

[The Running Man]

There is no guarantee that any advanced alien life is peaceful or has good motives, that's just what we theorize and of course hope to be true for any advanced and thus presumably more enlightened civilization. But for all we know, galactic wars are raging as we speak.

If any civilization is visiting us it's likely that they are at least neutral to us, considering we are still here and oblivious. However, like many movies have played with, they could be studying us and our resources to see if it is worth taking what we have. I would say that the chance of peaceful vs aggressive is 'probably' higher though.


With the obvious difference that one would then be tangible and real and the other... wouldn't?

You'd think if they were aggressive they would simply nuke us from orbit before revealing themselves.

I suspect they wouldn't need to get close and personal ala independence day or war of the worlds.

A few well aimed inter-galactic missiles from time away would do the job.

 

[Richdog]

You'd think if they were aggressive they would simply nuke us from orbit before revealing themselves.

I suspect they wouldn't need to get close and personal ala independence day or war of the worlds.

A few well aimed inter-galactic missiles from time away would do the job.

Why would they 'nuke' a planet if they had interest in preserving the people and/or the resources? Whether human or alien, I'm not sure it makes sense to travel so far and then just render something barren and unusable.

 

[The Running Man]

Why would they 'nuke' a planet if they had interest in preserving the people and/or the resources?

Because tactical nukes exist.

But either way if they are aggressive who's to say they want (many of) us to exist afterwards?

 

[wolfie138]

so you're saying they would nuke a planet just because they have nukes?
you're missing the point he made about making the planet and/or resources unusable.

 

[Richdog]

Because tactical nukes exist.

But either way if they are aggressive who's to say they want (many of) us to exist afterwards?

Well yeah, who is to say anything in a theoretical discussion, however there are theories that are more feasible than others and I am not sure that carpet bombing the world with tactical nukes to exterminate the human population is one of the more feasible ones

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Too many people in this thread who watch Sci Fi films and think they are real

 

[deuse]

Too many people in this thread who watch Sci Fi films and think they are real

There is no proof either way.

 

[Lysander]

Too many people in this thread who watch Sci Fi films and think they are real

Without wishing to be unfair, I don't see what you're bringing to this thread now other than cynicism and your "I've watched 57-series-of-Ancient-Aliens-ness and you're all wrong" comments.

We know these things exist. They are just as likely to be non-human as human because they're not Western and now it appears they're not likely to be Chinese either [unless the Chinese UAP task force is a cover, lol].

That pretty much only leaves the Russians.

I'm ruling out North Korea because they love to brag and there's no way they could keep this secret.

And what if it's not Russia? What if Putin says, "nope, not us either." What then? Everyone is lying? We have to accept there's a very real possibility that these things are not from Earth. We have to get our heads around that. This is not a Ray Bradbury or Asimov novel anymore.

If an alien tech can fly to this planet and study us it's also conceivable that they have advanced weaponry. I am not saying that they will use it or even want to use it, merely that it could exist.

On our own planet we have bombs that can wipe out large cities. It is no leap of faith to say an advanced alien civilisation could wipe out the population of a small planet like ours.

Maybe years ago people may have said "you believe in physics-defying unidentifiable craft of unknown origin? That's science fiction only". Now we have all the major international news outlets confirming the Pentagon says they exist and they cannot rule out the fact that they may be ET. If you think about that last sentence, and really digest it, very little else from thereon is an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Including warp speed, cloaking - even teleporting. Just because we don't know how these things happen doesn't mean they can't. We can imagine them and conceive of them, it's possible that other species can do the same and make them a reality.

One thing this has opened our consciousness to is the fact that there is a lot of things about life in the universe that we don't know. We can always hide behind ideas like the Fermi Paradox but one day a point is going to come whereby the entire script is rewritten and we're going to have to go, "OK, we were too blinkered in our thinking, we have to revise it". In terms of human history, it looks like that point is just around the corner.

 

[fedaz]

Grey.
You said green men. A Reticulan's skin tone is actually grey. They're notorious for their extraction of terrestrial human livers, due to iron depletion in the Reticulan galaxy.

Do you have any idea how much liver and onions go for on Reticula?

Orcas are notorious for extracting the livers of sharks. Coincidence? Aliens of the ocean?

 

[wolfie138]

before the 1800s, people would have laughed at the thought of giant monsters inhabiting the Earth, then someone found a fossil.

 

[glenimp617]

a personal wormhole type device would eliminate the threat of teleportation killing you and reassembling you as a replica copy.

I was always worried about using them because of that.

 

[The Running Man]

Well yeah, who is to say anything in a theoretical discussion, however there are theories that are more feasible than others and I am not sure that carpet bombing the world with tactical nukes to exterminate the human population is one of the more feasible ones

If they have intercepted our TV shows where in every single one, the aliens end up coming to earth and end up being destroyed by a battleship or a virus or by tom cruise then they will know by now the way to win is nuke from orbit.

Anything else would be stupid.

Why do you think icbms were invented?

 

[Felon]

And what if it's not Russia? What if Putin says, "nope, not us either." What then? Everyone is lying? We have to accept there's a very real possibility that these things are not from Earth. We have to get our heads around that. This is not a Ray Bradbury or Asimov novel anymore.

This is like putting 2 and 2 together and getting 800.

Maybe years ago people may have said "you believe in physics-defying unidentifiable craft of unknown origin? That's science fiction only". Now we have all the major international news outlets confirming the Pentagon says they exist and they cannot rule out the fact that they may be ET.

The pentagon has never said any such thing, ever. All the Pentagon has ever said, is that their aircraft have recorded some things which they haven't been able to identify, and those incidents remain unidentified - that's about it.

There's never been any evidence of anything remotely defying physics in any way shape or form ever, just, conjecture and stories most likely made up to get interviews on 60 minutes for cash. (people do this all the time)

 

[ttaskmaster]

Orcas are notorious for extracting the livers of sharks. Coincidence? Aliens of the ocean?

Scully? It's me.... Yeah, we've got another one. Take them down, bring them in and show them the footage....

 

[Lysander]

This is like putting 2 and 2 together and getting 800.

OK, maybe it's Ghana.

The pentagon has never said any such thing, ever. All the Pentagon has ever said, is that their aircraft have recorded some things which they haven't been able to identify, and those incidents remain unidentified - that's about it.

US military UFO report 'does not confirm or rule out alien activity'

A US government report on sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) found no evidence of alien activity but does not rule it out, officials have told US media.

The officials said that of the 120-plus incidents documented over the past two decades, the majority were reported by US Navy personnel, while some involved foreign militaries. CNN said it spoke with three sources who said the report does not rule out extraterrestrial activity as a possible explanation in some of these cases.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57355192

That's pretty black and white.

There's never been any evidence of anything remotely defying physics in any way shape or form ever, just, conjecture and stories most likely made up to get interviews on 60 minutes for cash. (people do this all the time)

I know you're from the "the entire thing is lies" camp, so that's fair enough.

 

[Angilion]

Because tactical nukes exist.

But either way if they are aggressive who's to say they want (many of) us to exist afterwards?

Why bother with nukes when there are lots of rocks?

I'm not being facetious. Bombs have to be made, transported and stored in or on the vessel. It's a deliberate policy choice with some degree of risk and some degree of cost. Rocks work just as well against a planetary civilisation, cost nothing, are risk free and easily usable by a civilisation that has the tech required for routine interstellar flight. They're also very scalable from "warning shot" to "all life on the planet killed" and everything in between.