Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Felon]

I always giggle when people claim that the Pentagon have been "Investigating for years" and they "know all of the things", etc.

A good way of measuring how seriously something is being investigated, is to look at the amount of money which is being spent. In the case of this AATIP department, it looks like they spent in the region of around $22m. To the layman that sounds like a lot of money, but when it comes to government defence spending, it's literally zero, it's such a small amount it's practically meaningless. The Pentagon probably spends more on travel expenses and hotels than they do investigating this sort of thing.

Putting it into perspective, the US defence budget for 2017 (when this AATIP program was active) was around $580Bn.

If they spent $22m on it, that means they spent the grand total of 0.0037% of their budget on investigating this phenomenon.

Compare it to something which exists, like the F35 (which they take very seriously) where they're spending hundreds of billions of dollars, likely to exceed $1Tn by 2070 and that's just for a plane.

Something tells me, if they had anti-gravity technology/aliens and all the other stuff that's claimed or whatever, they'd have spent a little bit more than the measly sum of $22m over several years, trying to figure it out.

 

[koolpc]

I always giggle when people claim to know the true goings on in the Pentagon and how much is REALLY being spent there.

 

[Felon]

I always giggle when people claim to know the true goings on in the Pentagon and how much is REALLY being spent there.

It's not hard to find out - because it's taxpayer money, it's essentially a matter of public record, and the budgets for these things are disclosed along with the projects the money is allocated to, quite publicly; https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...od-releases-fiscal-year-2021-budget-proposal/

Or if you really want to drill down through the more verbose documents showing where the money goes, it's here;

https://comptroller.defense.gov/Budget-Materials/

 

[koolpc]

It's not hard to find out - because it's taxpayer money, it's essentially a matter of public record, and the budgets for these things are disclosed along with the projects the money is allocated to, quite publicly; https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...od-releases-fiscal-year-2021-budget-proposal/

Or if you really want to drill down through the more verbose documents showing where the money goes, it's here;

https://comptroller.defense.gov/Budget-Materials/

Lol, and you truly think that the pentagon doesnt have any secrets! Lol

 

[Demon]

I always giggle when people claim that the Pentagon have been "Investigating for years" and they "know all of the things", etc.

A good way of measuring how seriously something is being investigated, is to look at the amount of money which is being spent. In the case of this AATIP department, it looks like they spent in the region of around $22m. To the layman that sounds like a lot of money, but when it comes to government defence spending, it's literally zero, it's such a small amount it's practically meaningless. The Pentagon probably spends more on travel expenses and hotels than they do investigating this sort of thing.

Putting it into perspective, the US defence budget for 2017 (when this AATIP program was active) was around $580Bn.

If they spent $22m on it, that means they spent the grand total of 0.0037% of their budget on investigating this phenomenon.

Compare it to something which exists, like the F35 (which they take very seriously) where they're spending hundreds of billions of dollars, likely to exceed $1Tn by 2070 and that's just for a plane.

Something tells me, if they had anti-gravity technology/aliens and all the other stuff that's claimed or whatever, they'd have spent a little bit more than the measly sum of $22m over several years, trying to figure it out.

A good point and as I also have to the conclusion that occums razor very much applies, the reason the Pentagon have not done much etc is
A. They know aliens don't exist and that the UFO's did not pose any threat
B. The burdon of proof is quite high to the point that even if plausible they know it may be a 'bird' or similar, without correlated direct evidence they probably just keep it listed as 'unexplained'.

Honestly when you look at the simple cases like the green triangle video that quiet a few people immediately knew was just a triangluar aperture lens phenomena etc and how the media circus claimed this was proof of triangular alien craft attacking a boat, you just put your head in your hands and wonder what on earth is going on..

And yes, I'd even go along with the notion the Pentagon would only release stuff they don't care about, however, the way people are reacting over stuff they don't care about does not seem rationale or proportional..

 

[Felon]

Lol, and you truly think that the pentagon doesnt have any secrets! Lol

Well - they do, they have $50Bn ring-fenced for "black projects" which they don't want the public or their enemies to know about. This is fine - governments need to be able to do stuff with some degree of secrecy.

However in reality if you think you can cram secret anti-gravity/alien technology or whatever, and everything else into $50Bn, when the F35 costs around $1Tn over it's lifetime, it's just doesn't add up. Unless the government have uncovered ways to spend money more efficiently and cost effectively, but in the final analysis that's probably even less likely than flying saucers to be honest.

And yes, I'd even go along with the notion the Pentagon would only release stuff they don't care about, however, the way people are reacting over stuff they don't care about does not seem rationale or proportional..

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that the Pentagon are fed up to the back teeth of hearing about this UFO stuff, and every time it gets mentioned it results in red faces and people whining about having to waste their time looking into it. I imagine each time they go to a press conference they get bombarded with BS questions about aliens from foaming media representatives, if they deny it exists - it generates more questions, if they don't deny it, it generates more questions, they can't really win with it.

 

[visibleman]

Well - they do, they have $50Bn ring-fenced for "black projects...

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...od-releases-fiscal-year-2021-budget-proposal/
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Budget-Materials/

I probably missed it but i couldn't see "black projects" with a $50bn budget listed in the links you posted (skimmed through the PDFs). Their "military intelligence" budget is around $50-80bn but that isn't the same obviously.
Is it possible to point directly to the correct document?

Although, and not that they/US have flying saucers or little green men in bunkers, i'd be surprised if all "black projects" are funded solely from this "black projects" budget; rather you would assume there's some funky accountancy going on to hide funding for (some) projects.

 

[arknor]

funded by the war on drugs my friend! @visibleman why would they use taxes?


anyway aliens created covid and are waiting to move in, you heard it hear first, our lizard overlord will arrive when the earths population is more manageable

 

[Felon]

Is it possible to point directly to the correct document?

There isn't much to be honest, but there's sort of enough info out there to basically conclude that they probably do have a black project budget, and it's somewhere in the region of $50bn. I imagine you've seen the wiki but there are deets in here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget

There are other articles and stuff knocking about, but the wiki is probably the best for what there is.

 

[Angilion]

Screech, you are not asking intelligent questions to open up a two-way debate, you are asking unintelligent and rhetorical questions, that you know full well that there is no answer to, in order to re-enforce your arguments.

No-one can give you: "evidence that all of this crazy stuff is there" (lol), because obviously there is nothing that constitutes any kind of unequivocal evidence within the publicly available domain. Anyone with any shred of sense knows this, so why are you going 'full broken record' with this line of questioning?

No-one has categorical proof either way, no-one has any concrete answers, which is why many of us are so interested that the US government is actually publicly addressing the repeat sightings that have been made by experienced military personnel.

Would you mind editing your post to correct the attribution in post 1145? You've attributed it to me, but you're quoting someone else. Probably Screech, as you address your reply to them.

 

[Angilion]

See my post above. The "I know more than the Pentagon" crowd is quite amusing, if not ridiculous.

The Pentagon: These things exist and we've seen them
The internet: no they don't

The Pentagon has not at any point said that alien spaceships exist and they've seen them.

Who is denying that there are a few incidents in which the source of lights (in the sky or on a screen) have not been identified? You claim the internet has done so, but I'm assuming that you don't mean the internet itself.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

The Pentagon has not at any point said that alien spaceships exist and they've seen them.

None of the Believers are getting this point.

 

[Lysander]

None of the Believers are getting this point.

You suffer from a reading comprehension issue and a severe case of cognitive bias. Go downstairs in your lunch break and see the doctor.

I meant they have said the craft exist. They have not said they are aliens, no.

But it's easier to read something in a way that makes you look right and the other person wrong

The Pentagon has not at any point said that alien spaceships exist and they've seen them.

Who is denying that there are a few incidents in which the source of lights (in the sky or on a screen) have not been identified? You claim the internet has done so, but I'm assuming that you don't mean the internet itself.

Well no, I don't mean the entire internet, no. And when I speak of a source of lights not being identified, there are some here who claim they are not craft at all and the whole thing is being made up. I think calling them a "source of lights" is a bit of an odd collective term, craft like e.g. the Tic Tac was not, as far as I remember, reported as having lots of lights on it. I'm talking about the craft in general.

 

[Richdog]

The Pentagon has not at any point said that alien spaceships exist and they've seen them.

Who is denying that there are a few incidents in which the source of lights (in the sky or on a screen) have not been identified? You claim the internet has done so, but I'm assuming that you don't mean the internet itself.

Honestly, the amount of self-indulgent pretentiousness and patronising behaviour on display in this thread is highly amusing and it is all coming from people who seem to want to portray themselves as hard-bitten sceptics who are in possession of the "real facts" and are actively pushing a narrative that anyone who believes otherwise is a bit stupid. Of course you don't outright say that, but this is the clear implication from your tone and wording.

To the best of my knowledge, no one in this thread has said that the government has said that the UAP's are aliens, so I have no idea why people keep repeating that. Please, show me an example of where anyone in this thread has said the UAP's ARE aliens. I would love to see it.

I am involved in a lot of internal investigations for a large corporation in real life that involve objectively analyzing a lot of data and evidence that I am not familiar with and if I presented my arguments the way you guys are doing, even if I did not believe in the case of the person I was talking to, then I would be laughed out of the room or simply told to **** off.

The US government is investigating reports of UAP's and as yet we have no confirmation if each or all of those reports are genuine or fake. Everything else in this thread are based on logical deductions, educated guesses or pure speculation. The increasing levels of rhetoric and patronising behaviour are springing from the personal bias of people who aren't very good at engaging in objective two-way discussions.

 

[deuse]

Why the hell did they change UFO to UAP?

I think there are aliens in this universe.
But have they been here is another question.

I think they have.

 

[Lysander]

None of the Believers are getting this point.

Additionally why group everyone in this Believers category you just invented? It's classic diminutive group splitting into "us" and "them" in order to maintain a superior position, painting the 'other side' as unthinking, uninformed and easily led. It's playground politics. If you take this line you are intentionally creating divisions and compounding the issue. The truth of the matter is that there is myriad of opinions in this thread and, as @Richdog has pointed out, no-one has categorically said they are aliens, just that they might be. Even the Pentagon has not ruled that out, as has been cited multiple times here.

 

[Housey]

Additionally why group everyone in this Believers category you just invented? It's classic diminutive group splitting into "us" and "them" in order to maintain a superior position, painting the 'other side' as unthinking, uninformed and easily led. It's playground politics. If you take this line you are intentionally creating divisions and compounding the issue. The truth of the matter is that there is myriad of opinions in this thread and, as @Richdog has pointed out, no-one has categorically said they are aliens, just that they might be. Even the Pentagon has not ruled that out, as has been cited multiple times here.

That’s the sort of thing ‘they’ say

 

[Lysander]

That’s the sort of thing ‘they’ say

God dammit, I fell into the trap.

 

[Angilion]

[..] Well no, I don't mean the entire internet, no.

I thought not. So who did you mean when you said "the internet" is denying whatever you think is being denied? And what do you think is being denied? Nobody I've seen is denying that some reports of some things have not been definitively identified.

And when I speak of a source of lights not being identified, there are some here who claim they are not craft at all and the whole thing is being made up. I think calling them a "source of lights" is a bit of an odd collective term, craft like e.g. the Tic Tac was not, as far as I remember, reported as having lots of lights on it. I'm talking about the craft in general.

The craft which have not been seen. What has been seen is lights. Sometimes lights in the sky. Sometimes lights on a screen. You are assuming that the source of the lights are alien spacecraft but you can't even provide evidence that they are craft of any kind.

 

[Angilion]

Why the hell did they change UFO to UAP? [..]

I wondered that too. It is a more accurate description, since a light in the sky or on a screen might or might not be a flying object.

The example that comes to my mind was one of the false alarm incidents during the cold war. An early warning system displayed lights on a screen flagged as being incoming missiles fired by the enemy. It was actually sunlight reflecting off clouds. The "craft" being detected were not craft. There was no flying object.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

But maybe changing UFO to UAP is just a rebranding. Or maybe some of both.