Pentagon releases UFO footage
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lol, it took like 2.5 mins of investigation to discover that the person above, making frankly insane claims such as;
Wrote a book about aliens, in November 2020 - that article with the mental nonsense in, was from December 2020.
https://www.gefenpublishing.com/product.asp?productid=2935
So yeah, if I was to bet whether it was actually aliens, or just a shameless attempt to get some publicity for a book, I don't think a sane person would have much difficulty working out what's probably the best explanation.
Wrote a book about aliens, in November 2020 - that article with the mental nonsense in, was from December 2020.
https://www.gefenpublishing.com/product.asp?productid=2935
So yeah, if I was to bet whether it was actually aliens, or just a shameless attempt to get some publicity for a book, I don't think a sane person would have much difficulty working out what's probably the best explanation.
Soldato
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Ill be honest aliens arent my speciality. Im more a pigeon specialist.
I read the report, and it's pretty much says what I thought - yes "UAPs" are real, there are lots of sightings - there's not enough data to make any conclusions, we're going to take these things seriously.
I don't think anybody really expected any more than that anyway?
I don't think anybody really expected any more than that anyway?
Was only ever really a hope of something more interesting, but yes, essentially the report says yeah there are UAPs (which was obvious to anyone with half a brain cell) and no we dont know what they are (which is equally obvious, otherwise they would be IAPs not UAPs). So nothing new or earth shattering really.
Man of Honour
Which is essentially the same thing they said in the first such report, in 1952. Some people are treating this as a new thing. It's not.
Soldato
They did, and they were left wanting.
Soldato
I believe that the Pentagon do know a lot more than what they are letting on. Anyone who believes otherwise is living in the dark ages!
Soldato
Ha my god is bigger than your god
Hope you are joking but equally hoping you're serious
Soldato
There were two reports with the Pentagon already admitting they would not be revealing everything due to national security concerns. Even so. Getting people to accept there are UAP's other than swamp gas, lens flare, ball lightning, Venus and dust on a sensor etc is a major milestone in admitting there is a concern with regards to some unknowables- which would be the ones they've held back on.
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Btw, why is it always assumed that discovering we'd made contact with ET would cause mass hysteria?
I mean, it's a line you hear over and over from certain people. "We've been receiving their anal probes for years but the government can't make it pubic, there would be mass hysteria."
It's just so damned convenient, isn't it? It means you can simultaneously hold that aliens are 100% proven/real and also explain the complete lack of selfies with ET in the White House. Mass hysteria.
We'd all just freaking lose our minds the second we found out about it. Rather than something like, "Dear, did you hear about the aliens? Yes there's one living on Baker Street now. Works at the bank. Lovely chap, operates that anal probe like a pro." Nope, we'd be out looting and exposing ourselves to the wildlife and literally eating our own intestines. Mass hysteria. It's the only way to be sure.
I mean, it's a line you hear over and over from certain people. "We've been receiving their anal probes for years but the government can't make it pubic, there would be mass hysteria."
It's just so damned convenient, isn't it? It means you can simultaneously hold that aliens are 100% proven/real and also explain the complete lack of selfies with ET in the White House. Mass hysteria.
We'd all just freaking lose our minds the second we found out about it. Rather than something like, "Dear, did you hear about the aliens? Yes there's one living on Baker Street now. Works at the bank. Lovely chap, operates that anal probe like a pro." Nope, we'd be out looting and exposing ourselves to the wildlife and literally eating our own intestines. Mass hysteria. It's the only way to be sure.
Man of Honour
The question is what they know that we don't know they know, ya know?
I'm sure that the main military command centre for the USA (or any other country) has things that they don't make public knowledge. That's par for the course for the military. In this context, my guess is that some of the things declared to the public to be unidentified are identified but classified.
When looking at any report of a sensitive nature you need to make a note of what is not said. The preliminary report does not say they do not believe that any of the UAP sightings were not of extra-terrestrial origin. The entire preliminary report is summarized as they need to do more investigation and analysis into UAP's to figure out what the unknowns are and that current sensor limitations are largely hindering the ability to gather accurate evidence on the sites that they have been reported.
On the matter of what they do know...
So a mere 1 of 144 reports remain explained? How can they not factor all of the 'obvious mundane explanations' into this; surely that kind of clarification would be welcomed on a number of reported sightings?
On the matter of collecting reliable data...
This long-term investigation into UAP's is just beginning and this public admissal that they (they being credible unexplained UAP's witnessed by military personnel) DO exist and this report will be the first step along the road to finding out more.
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I think the second classified report will always be withheld, probably because it contains privileged information about the US military's technical capability. In the case of these UAP sightings where military systems were involved, it could be reasonably assumed that the reason they're unidentified, is because the detection capability was at the limits of it performance. Knowledge of those performance limits are likely kept under the tightest lock and key.
In such a case, a report investigating the shortcomings in the technology, would likely need to go into some level of detail about where the shortcomings lie, how to address them; how much money it will cost to fix and how long it will take etc.
If an adversary could glean this information, it could perhaps theoretically allow them to exploit any of the documented weaknesses, by designing a craft/drone/system/jammer, which it could use in US airspace or in theatre to gain an advantage.
I imagine the classified report is more aimed at an audience concerned with only one thing; how much will it cost to fix and when? Any mention of nonsense like "extra terrestrials" or whatever, would likely just get the thing thrown in the bin, or result in less money being put forward towards any projects. I doubt anyone in a senior military position who controls access to funding, wants to hear crap like that.
In such a case, a report investigating the shortcomings in the technology, would likely need to go into some level of detail about where the shortcomings lie, how to address them; how much money it will cost to fix and how long it will take etc.
If an adversary could glean this information, it could perhaps theoretically allow them to exploit any of the documented weaknesses, by designing a craft/drone/system/jammer, which it could use in US airspace or in theatre to gain an advantage.
I imagine the classified report is more aimed at an audience concerned with only one thing; how much will it cost to fix and when? Any mention of nonsense like "extra terrestrials" or whatever, would likely just get the thing thrown in the bin, or result in less money being put forward towards any projects. I doubt anyone in a senior military position who controls access to funding, wants to hear crap like that.
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Soldato
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When you think about it, a report about 'Unidentified' objects was always going to be a let down.
We want the report about 'Identified' objects
We want the report about 'Identified' objects
Man of Honour
I've asked that at least twice in this thread but there are those who will think there would be mass panic.
I think everybody including the main religious groups would just accept it and in the case of Religions would make God more feasible.
Even the Catholics opened up the doors for Alien life a few years ago to prepare for it - https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens
I think the issue is that they currently can't predict what the result of such an admission would be. And it's way safer just to say nothing. At this point, anyway.
As I've been banging on about, again and again in this thread, I think there will be a reveal in the next 20-30 years, but I think they have to wait for the clear majority to be OK with that [which would be gen X-Y-Z-a]. e.g. if there were a reveal, I would go spinning into excitement like a Tic Tac, however, my wife has made it clear that if there were such a reveal, she would be terrified.
I think a lot of people would be scared, and it would shunt too many people out of their comfort zone. The denialism in this thread is proof of that. There are too many people who will still stick their fingers in their ears and go "no".
But the report is very interesting and promising. To say "it says nothing" is, again, denialism. There are three major takeaways:
- UAPs exist in five categories, the fifth category, an unexplained "other", accounts for a large amount of sightings which cannot be explained as natural phenomena, classified US programs, foreign intelligence or other airbourne clutter [birds, balloons, debris etc]. That in itself is pretty fascinating, not least because it does away with the China/Russia angle.
- These things possibly pose a risk to national security.
- They need to analyse them more and get more data to find out what the hell is going on.
When you think about it, a report about 'Unidentified' objects was always going to be a let down.
We want the report about 'Identified' objects
I think the report is awesomely interesting. It doesn't say, "yay, aliens", but it does say there are things out there moving in the skies which are not US and not China/Russia which they can't explain and which could be a security risk. Anyone who thinks that they are not at least potentially alien is surely not being honest with themselves.
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Soldato
I believe its because of the accepted theory that any being capable of reaching us would likely not be our friend. Assuming they were above type II and well on their way to type III they would be 1000s of years ahead of us and have motives we likely would never comprehend.
Outside of that it would present so many ethical problems for humans who have for the last 2000+ years based a lot of values on the simplicity of religion.
It's also probably because of the big "why". Why are they here. What are they doing.
I think there are too many people who would be too unstable to deal with those questions. People are en large fearful of what they don't understand [e.g. COVID vaccines, Large Hadron Collider].
Ironically, the responsibility would be with the media to present it in a safe way. The govs would have to legislate, as in actually to pass a bill, to say that the media must report on the ETs responsibly, with criteria. Because it is the media who will largely decide [and it is a decision] if there is mass hysteria or not. But they do need more data before that can happen. But this report does show they are on the way to getting more of that data.
The move from UFO to UAP terminology also shows that. It removes a lot of the stigma [their word, not mine] of UFOs. To use UAP as a term is to now say, "OK, we are now taking these things seriously".
This paragraph is also very interesting indeed. It basically says that this fifth category is highly unusual, and that we need to move away from these "little green men" stigma [to quote the OP] in order to investigate them properly. The use of the term UAP is one such method towards doing that.
This is also a nudge to some of those "senior members of the scientific community" to say, "look, we can talk about this now".
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Soldato
I'd just like to extend my thanks for a truly genuine LOL moment on a Saturday morning. For some reason this just absolutely tickled me and had me laughing to myself for several minutes.
