Soldato
As a military buff I'd love to know where you've found the info you're giving here - 1962 "in use F-16's" and mid 70's "operational B2's" - as it sounds very mistaken.
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As a military buff I'd love to know where you've found the info you're giving here - 1962 "in use F-16's" and mid 70's "operational B2's" - as it sounds very mistaken.
Man of Honour
Well I'll take that as a breakthrough that you only think it is happening now and it hasn't been going on for decades.
Soldato
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The British government certainly are
I wish they'd release that photo taken in Scotland
Soldato
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Your right we would be completely insignificant if they required the resources of our planets/star.
Well yeh thats the point. I never said we would go to war with them, more like we would just be wiped out with little thought.
Your right we would be completely insignificant if they required the resources of our planets/star.
Soldato
I have no idea what your saying in the context of my post...genuinely.
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Man of Honour
You said
I believe its because of the accepted theory that any being capable of reaching us would likely not be our friend
and Foxeye said
That's an accepted theory
and I said
Exactly, complete rubbish
and went on to say I'd just asked 5 adults in my house what they thought.
Man of Honour
The report from the USA military in 1952 said the same thing.
There is no "public admissal". There is nothing new. This is not the beginning of the alien reveal.
Man of Honour
The report does not rule out the possibility that the objects are extra-terrestrial.
The report also does not rule out the possibility that the UAPs are not objects at all.
The report also does not rule out the possibility that the UAPs are gods.
The report also does not rule out the possibility that the UAPs are wizards using astral projection magic or somesuch thing.
There are a lot of things the report doesn't rule out because the report is on unidentified phenomena.
Man of Honour
This is really hard work when people have such faith with zero hard evidence.
Next topic: Ghosts and Demnons
Man of Honour
The post you're replying to didn't contain that assumption.
So you agree with the "theory" in the post you're replying to, namely that these hypothetical aliens likely wouldn't be our friends.
We might or might not be special to these hypothetical aliens. We have no idea how common life is or how common complex life is or how common sentient life is or how many civilisations at our level of development exist at this moment in time. We also have no idea about the motivations of these hypothetical aliens. Maybe we'd be interesting to them. Maybe very much so. Maybe we'd be the only civilisation at this level of development that they've encountered so far. That would make us a unique opportunity for study. That would probably be the case anyway - even if there are lots of planets with life, even sentient life at the same level of development, they wouldn't be exactly the same as on Earth.
The only scenario I can think of that would be different from that is if there's some lifeform on Earth that's valuable to these hypothetical aliens. Could be anything. Maybe tulips are all the rage in fashionable circles amongst them. Maybe the bark of some kind of tree contains a chemical they can use to cure some disease present amongst them. Maybe. Who knows?
I can. Here's a few:
1) They're not hostile to us. They wouldn't need to be hostile to us for them to be devastating to us. The absurd difference in levels of knowledge and power would be enough for that, but if they're more intelligent than humans (as you believe they are) then we're screwed. The best we could hope for would be for humanity to quietly fade away from being pointless while the aliens do their best to make life pleasant in our little wildlife park.
2) They don't have unlimited power and energy. You'd need unlimited power to do rapid interstellar travel with current human knowledge. So it's impossible with current human knowledge. So if these hypothetical aliens could do it, they would have to have other knowledge. So maybe they know how to do it with much less power.
3) They have factions hostile to each other but haven't destroyed themselves because they have so much destructive power that a full on war would destroy all the factions. The same as humans with nukes - Mutually Assured Destruction - just scaled up somewhat.
4) They don't have factions hostile to each other because they unified through a form of nationalism with the nation expanding to the whole species. In that scenario, they wouldn't be hostile to each other but they would be hostile to outsiders.
5) They have concluded that humanity poses a potential threat to them in the future and should be destroyed now, before humanity becomes that threat to them.
Those are just off the top of my head. There are probably other possible alternatives to the "aliens as benevolent gods of peace" scenario.
I would dispute that. If you read the posts in sequence:
"Why would the disclosure of aliens cause mass hysteria?"
"Because of the accepted theory that they would likely not be our friends."
So since "not being our friends" is sufficient to cause mass hysteria, it would be reasonable to conclude that "not being our friends" is something a bit more sinister than mere disinterest. People don't really tend to get hysterical because they think they're being ignored, or they think they're insignificant. Maybe a bit grumpy, but hysterical?
Soldato
My opinion is the mass hysteria reason against disclosure is probably more about the time in which it was used.
Knowledge is power and these UAP/UFO sightings during the world wars and then the cold war means nobody wanted to overplay their hand. We know when talks began between the US and Russia (since the fall of the Soviet Union) we see the Russian files thinking it was US technology. I've no doubt the US thought it was Russian technology. So neither side wants to fully show their hand to the others. The Nazi's must also have had many sightings of these "craft" as they famously tried to build one.
I think these days the people in the know realise the hysteria excuse is wearing thin. But they have to be careful to respect the previous governments decisions. They can't come out and say UAP/UFO's are real when in the past they have been denying them, or that makes the previous government look like liars. On most major issues governments will only very rarely contradict a previous administration, even if its of another political party.
The report confirms that at this point there are UAP/UFO events happening. Maybe the events of UAP/UFO incidents are increasing to such a level that they are being forced to address it.
Knowledge is power and these UAP/UFO sightings during the world wars and then the cold war means nobody wanted to overplay their hand. We know when talks began between the US and Russia (since the fall of the Soviet Union) we see the Russian files thinking it was US technology. I've no doubt the US thought it was Russian technology. So neither side wants to fully show their hand to the others. The Nazi's must also have had many sightings of these "craft" as they famously tried to build one.
I think these days the people in the know realise the hysteria excuse is wearing thin. But they have to be careful to respect the previous governments decisions. They can't come out and say UAP/UFO's are real when in the past they have been denying them, or that makes the previous government look like liars. On most major issues governments will only very rarely contradict a previous administration, even if its of another political party.
The report confirms that at this point there are UAP/UFO events happening. Maybe the events of UAP/UFO incidents are increasing to such a level that they are being forced to address it.
Soldato
It's my belief that these UAP are advanced military systems. At least some of the footage is from the Pacific not far from San Diego. In the early 1960s, the CIA were flying unmanned drones at Mach 3.2 out from the west coast over the pacific. And these things weren't made from duct tape and lollipop sticks either - they were titanium and plastic composites with radar absorbing qualities. That was the early 60s...so what the hell do they have now?
As for this new report, it doesn't really say anything amazing and I wouldn't trust a word of it anyway!
As for this new report, it doesn't really say anything amazing and I wouldn't trust a word of it anyway!
Would you trust them if the report said it was aliens?
Just highlighting a bias there. You don't trust the report, unless it has the outcome you want.
The one thing that always makes me laugh, is the idea that governments could ever keep anything like this a secret, or they're not "letting all the info out"
Look what happened the other day
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
Look what happened the other day
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
Man of Honour
I'm not buying it as it makes no logical sense. What is more logical is such an intelligent species lives in a sort of peace filled utopia. Any faction/conflict based species no matter how intelligent will almost always have destruction following its path. This might actually be a human way of thinking about it but power and conflict always lead to destruction. Evolution of a biological species into higher level intelligence far beyond what we can imagine now logically would be that sort of utopia where everyone is collectively working together for the greater good. They would certainly have unlimited power, or better worded, the potential for unlimited power. If they can generate the energy needed without our current thinking of needing unlimited power, then that still makes them capable of unlimited energy if they so wanted.
The logical view is what we'd be doing long into the future. It is a conversation human scientists are already having as are the big thinkers. And as mentioned earlier, it is something we have already started to do.
IMO intelligence of a species must reach a sort of universal constant level before it ditches all things in its past related to conflict. We will never explore the far reaches of space because someone or some group with alternative motives will mess it up. Countless generations need to go by for mindsets to change and evolution to occur before we're anywhere near that stage. It will happen, just not anywhere close to our lifetimes or our children's or their children's etc. Just everything points to that eventual direction.
Man of Honour
In a way, I'd like to have your faith in benevolent gods being the only possibility. But I don't. It might well seem logical to you that it's the only way it could possibly happen, but that's true for many believers in many things. Creationism is probably the best known example.
Man of Honour
Only you have referred to them as gods multiple times, nobody else? 
Having access to pretty much unlimited energy doesn't make you a god. You can just as easily destroy your own kind in the blink of an eye like you can anyone else. Next level smarts is needed at this sort of level and collaboration of an entire species.
Having access to pretty much unlimited energy doesn't make you a god. You can just as easily destroy your own kind in the blink of an eye like you can anyone else. Next level smarts is needed at this sort of level and collaboration of an entire species.
Soldato
The one thing that always makes me laugh, is the idea that governments could ever keep anything like this a secret, or they're not "letting all the info out"
Look what happened the other day
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
Then you are very naive