Photoshop and Creative Suite to be permanently subscription based

I think we will be forced to upgrade as ACR will probably not support the latest cameras unless you do so.

I guess I will have to convert the RAWs to DNG and use them with latest cameras.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Nobody pays for it anyway, which is why they have gone down this route. I have never met anyone who has a legit copy of CS outside of a work environment.

What they should actually be doing is following the path MS went down with Windows 7 and then 8 and clean up with home users. £60-80 for a home version and they could clean up.

I bet the LR figures are much better now they have dropped the price to a more realistic level. I have both 3 and 4 legit once the prices became more realistic for a home use piece of software.
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ive got ps cs6(I think that's right:D the latest version anyway )and light room both legit ,there model was ok (being able to upgrade at a reduced rate about every 3 gens or so) .but the fact they stopped that was bad enough without this cloud rubbish
 
Genoma said:
I'm going to put my head out here.

Although the subscription model is contravesial I'm not 100% sure all the comotion this is generating is valid. There are cases where poeple will be affected for sure but Photoshop is probably one of the most pirated pieces of software ever. Adobe is not a charity and are entitled to be paid for their products.

If you are a professional making a profit from your work, $600 a year doesn't sound that steep to me. Most of us here probably pay that much for a Sky subscription.
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But to 99% of those who pirate the software, are they now going to buy a £600 subscription? Nope, they'll just stick with CS6, or find an alternative.
Pirated software != lost sales.

This new business model is only screwing the paying customers, as those who use it professionally will most likely have already bought the product.
 
They seem to be operating under the assumption that every person who's stolen the software would otherwise have paid for it and so are throwing a tantrum that they haven't. There's no way that, even eliminating the illegal copies, they'd be charging anything like their current prices and that really needs to change. That said I can see that of course they don't want to be so easy to get their work for free, but they still need some way of getting people in the door (which being able to use a free copy did) which Elements doesn't do for as long as it's crippled.

I think bundling proper versions of software with laptops is a good idea as long as it's not at their prices, but there needs to be a better way to go about recovering stolen revenue than just saying either you pay us £1k or you find something else to use.
 
Seems obvious to me that they're doing this for enterprises / agencies, who will love the simplified billing and user licensing provisioning this gives them. I would have thought that's where the bulk of their income comes from as well.
 
Razor-BladE said:
But to 99% of those who pirate the software, are they now going to buy a £600 subscription? Nope, they'll just stick with CS6, or find an alternative.
Pirated software != lost sales.

This new business model is only screwing the paying customers, as those who use it professionally will most likely have already bought the product.
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I think the large majority of people who have pirated CS6 don't actually need it. For those that bought the product they haven't lost anything, they still own it and will still get updates, they simply won't get new features which previously was available on a regular upgrade basis.

I'm not saying a small portion of people who will be penalised but the general approach that Adobe is taking for a premium product like Photoshop makes absolute business sense. And for those that rely on the product to do business they have a choice, stick with your current version or join the subscription model for new features. For those that just want to tinker with it, well time to look elsewhere

"Pirated software != lost sales."

I'm sorry this doesn't make sense at all.
 
Genoma said:
I think the large majority of people who have pirated CS6 don't actually need it.

For those that just want to tinker with it, well time to look elsewhere
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Yeah, exactly. The majority of people don't need it, or can justify purchasing it. But what you originally said and the fact that they won't be able to pirate it, sounded as if they will buy it due to this new business model.

Genoma said:
but Photoshop is probably one of the most pirated pieces of software ever. Adobe is not a charity and are entitled to be paid for their products.
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Genoma said:
"Pirated software != lost sales."

I'm sorry this doesn't make sense at all.
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!= means 'doesn't equal'. So I was just reiterating the fact that if 100 people, for example, pirated the software, it doesn't mean that the company has lost out on 100 sales, because as we've established most people wouldn't have bought the software anyway.

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And regarding paying customers.. well, they will lose out with this new subscription.. It's about 3 times more expensive for them! I'm not talking about the new customers, but those who upgrade, from CS3 to CS4, to CS4 to CS5, and CS5 to CS6, etc, they're the ones who instead of paying a £200 upgrade fee whenever they choose to do so, have to pay £600 year on end.
 
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I didn't think that piracy could increase further for Photoshop but I was clearly mistaken, no way am I going to purchase it now.
 
Energize said:
I didn't think that piracy could increase further for Photoshop but I was clearly mistaken, no way am I going to purchase it now.
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Why not? It costs £17.58 per month to licence it, just over £8 if you own CS3. The £600 per year being mentioned is for the ENTIRE set of Adobe tools.

Incidentally, what do you use it for?
 
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Razor-BladE said:
!= means 'doesn't equal'. So I was just reiterating the fact that if 100 people, for example, pirated the software, it doesn't mean that the company has lost out on 100 sales, because as we've established most people wouldn't have bought the software anyway.

And regarding paying customers.. well, they will lose out with this new subscription.. It's about 3 times more expensive for them! I'm not talking about the new customers, but those who upgrade, from CS3 to CS4, to CS4 to CS5, and CS5 to CS6, etc, they're the ones who instead of paying a £200 upgrade fee whenever they choose to do so, have to pay £600 year on end.
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Sorry when I said it doesn't make sense I was just disagreeing with you. Piracy very much is = loss in sales. I think you are arguing about the proportion of sales. My point is for something like Photoshop if only 1% of the pirated versions move to the subscription model we are still talking a large number of sales given how widespread it is.

I'm not sure where you are getting the £600 year on end, a single app subscription to an individual is £17.58 x 12 (£210.96) and if you already have CS6 you can have access to the entire creative cloud suite for the same price. And there is a 40% saving if you own CS3-CS5 (albeit will expire soon).
 
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Genoma said:
I'm not sure where you are getting the £600 year on end, a single app subscription to an individual is £17.58 x 12 (£210.96) and if you already have CS6 you can have access to the entire creative cloud suite for the same price. And there is a 40% saving if you own CS3-CS5 (albeit will expire soon).
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First let me state that Im already a member of CC, £12 a month for the first year for the entire CS suite.
I still object though, once the deals have finished, the price will be a lot more than that and you are locked in to paying it. If you stick with it for 3 yrs, you 'could end up paying 8-900 quid depending on prices, and you have nothing to show for it. At least if you paid for the physical disks, you could continue to use the software that you have paid for, look how many people are still using CS3 or CS5?
A fairer way of doing it would be to let users who have subscribed for the minimum period access to the software at the state when they stopped paying for it, so no future features or enhancements.
 
I don't think their was anything wrong with the current pricing model (well except for it been a tad pricey)

The new model sounds like they are leasing you the program at an increase in cost. If I've understood that correctly its not surprising people are getting upset.
 
edgedemon said:
First let me state that Im already a member of CC, £12 a month for the first year for the entire CS suite.
I still object though, once the deals have finished, the price will be a lot more than that and you are locked in to paying it. If you stick with it for 3 yrs, you 'could end up paying 8-900 quid depending on prices, and you have nothing to show for it. At least if you paid for the physical disks, you could continue to use the software that you have paid for, look how many people are still using CS3 or CS5?
A fairer way of doing it would be to let users who have subscribed for the minimum period access to the software at the state when they stopped paying for it, so no future features or enhancements.
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You need to factor in upgrade prices over your three years. With CC you'll always s be up to date with no need to purchase upgrades.

For work it has actually worked out cheaper over three years than buying the CS suite.

I think its a good idea, at least £17 a month for Photoshop is easier to budget for than £600 outright. And like a lot of people said I'm not surprised its come around considering how many pirated copies of adobe products are out there. I'm more surprised its taken this long for them to haul in the reigns of control..

It's the pirates that have made the rod for everyone else's back if you ask me..
 
cheaper product = less piracy.

Just check out well PC games sell nowadays or how many copies windows 8 have sold as its cheap as chips.

£600 for Photoshop and u wonder why it gets pirated to hell? thats a new lens or a new body for that price!
 
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