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So will be see boards with 3 PCI-e 16x slots? Or will it used one of the lower slots (PCI-e 1x). Taking into account current boards with sli setup
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PhysX launched today.
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sja360 said:
I've actually seen a one card solution where the PCI slot is situated in the normal place and a PCI-E 1x on top of the card. Would be a more viable solution and offer a good 'upgrade' path. Ill try and find a piccy.
EDIT: Chances are I am actually wrong but it does look like you can swing the card around for a PCI-E 1x config;
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That connector on the far side could be for a bridge of some description. Wonder if i'll be able to get it sandwiched between the X-fi and the 7900gtx?
The following is take from an new firingsquad article, and i think its pretty spot on:
"The bottom line is that it’s too soon to come to any definitive conclusions on either technology. There’s no denying the potential cost advantage of the GPU-based approach if the performance impact isn’t too significant. In this regard I really do think that AGEIA may be out of touch with the market. From the outside looking in, it really does seem to me that AGEIA’s based their entire approach around 3dfx’s original Voodoo Graphics accelerator. There’s nothing wrong with that, as the Voodoo Graphics was the pioneer of an entirely new industry. And while it’s true that Voodoo Graphics initially launched at $300, it was a niche product at that price point. Personally, I gladly paid $300 for my Diamond Monster 3D when it first came out, but Voodoo Graphics didn’t really take off until:
Memory prices came down. Remember that the original Voodoo Graphics required 4MB of memory
Additional board partners came onboard. 3dfx initially launched with only two board partners, Orchid and Diamond Multimedia
GL Quake. Before GL Quake debuted, there were only a handful of titles with 3dfx support. Most notable of them was Tomb Raider. Once id finally released GL Quake, 3dfx finally had a killer app that was relevant among the hardcore crowd: I was the buzz of my college dorm once I booted up GL Quake for the first time. Everyone who was into PC gaming dropped by for at least one demonstration. GL Quake looked better than VQuake too, and thus 3dfx’s Voodoo 1 was a more justifiable purchase (remember that 3dfx’s card sold for considerably more than Rendition’s).
In my opinion, AGEIA needs all of this to happen for them in order for PhysX to really take off. They need more board partners so that prices can come down, and just as importantly, they need a killer app that will drive hardware sales. This killer app not only needs to deliver better performance, but more immersive gameplay as well. 3dfx managed to pull all this off with Voodoo Graphics, AGEIA will needs to pull it off also in order to be successful, especially now that larger players like ATI and NVIDIA are now essentially getting into the physics business. And with ATI and NVIDIA constantly delivering new GPUs, AGEIA’s going to have to remain on their toes for the foreseeable future.
3dfx didn’t run into this problem until much later down the road, and we all saw what ultimately happened to them once they faced it."
"The bottom line is that it’s too soon to come to any definitive conclusions on either technology. There’s no denying the potential cost advantage of the GPU-based approach if the performance impact isn’t too significant. In this regard I really do think that AGEIA may be out of touch with the market. From the outside looking in, it really does seem to me that AGEIA’s based their entire approach around 3dfx’s original Voodoo Graphics accelerator. There’s nothing wrong with that, as the Voodoo Graphics was the pioneer of an entirely new industry. And while it’s true that Voodoo Graphics initially launched at $300, it was a niche product at that price point. Personally, I gladly paid $300 for my Diamond Monster 3D when it first came out, but Voodoo Graphics didn’t really take off until:
Memory prices came down. Remember that the original Voodoo Graphics required 4MB of memory
Additional board partners came onboard. 3dfx initially launched with only two board partners, Orchid and Diamond Multimedia
GL Quake. Before GL Quake debuted, there were only a handful of titles with 3dfx support. Most notable of them was Tomb Raider. Once id finally released GL Quake, 3dfx finally had a killer app that was relevant among the hardcore crowd: I was the buzz of my college dorm once I booted up GL Quake for the first time. Everyone who was into PC gaming dropped by for at least one demonstration. GL Quake looked better than VQuake too, and thus 3dfx’s Voodoo 1 was a more justifiable purchase (remember that 3dfx’s card sold for considerably more than Rendition’s).
In my opinion, AGEIA needs all of this to happen for them in order for PhysX to really take off. They need more board partners so that prices can come down, and just as importantly, they need a killer app that will drive hardware sales. This killer app not only needs to deliver better performance, but more immersive gameplay as well. 3dfx managed to pull all this off with Voodoo Graphics, AGEIA will needs to pull it off also in order to be successful, especially now that larger players like ATI and NVIDIA are now essentially getting into the physics business. And with ATI and NVIDIA constantly delivering new GPUs, AGEIA’s going to have to remain on their toes for the foreseeable future.
3dfx didn’t run into this problem until much later down the road, and we all saw what ultimately happened to them once they faced it."
I think they have their killer app in the form of UT2007 - problem is, it is not due for release for some time. It's a pretty prolific license as well, so everything based on their engine will also support PhysX.
GRAW in the meantime is due for release very soon and whilst maybe not in the killer app league will certainly help tie them over.
I agree the price should come down though. If they could get it under £100 I think they would have a killer product on their hands.
GRAW in the meantime is due for release very soon and whilst maybe not in the killer app league will certainly help tie them over.
I agree the price should come down though. If they could get it under £100 I think they would have a killer product on their hands.
Trouble is Nvidia and ATI are doing the same thing using SM3.0. And millions of people already have these inside their PCs.
For people with SLI/Crossfire, when you upgrade, you could maybe leave your old 7800GT/X1800 in there to do physics and play games with your new X2300 or GF 8900 (or whatever) It would essentially add value to older cards that can be used just for physics.
Its all very interesting, but I really dont think PhyxX has much of a chance now that NV and ATI have their fingers in the pie.
For people with SLI/Crossfire, when you upgrade, you could maybe leave your old 7800GT/X1800 in there to do physics and play games with your new X2300 or GF 8900 (or whatever) It would essentially add value to older cards that can be used just for physics.
Its all very interesting, but I really dont think PhyxX has much of a chance now that NV and ATI have their fingers in the pie.
I would agree with you but for this quote,
"So, the SLI physics engine can make water fall, ripples move, and rocks from the exploding cliff wall bounce off each other in a way that would be damn near impossible to do on a CPU. It can't however make those things interact with your player, the ripples may look like they are washing over your legs, and the rocks bounce off your shins, but it won't cause in game collisions.
The Ageia way of doing things is the 'real deal', it can make things bounce, cars crash, and have the game work with it. The gravity of the asteroid can pull your ship off course at a critical time just before the warp jump in ways that SLI physics, in V1.0 at least, can't."
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Plus, people who can afford high end SLI/X-Fire systems obviously want the best. With their systems already straining under the weight of 1920x1200 and above, the last thing they will want to do is give up an entire card to physics.
"So, the SLI physics engine can make water fall, ripples move, and rocks from the exploding cliff wall bounce off each other in a way that would be damn near impossible to do on a CPU. It can't however make those things interact with your player, the ripples may look like they are washing over your legs, and the rocks bounce off your shins, but it won't cause in game collisions.
The Ageia way of doing things is the 'real deal', it can make things bounce, cars crash, and have the game work with it. The gravity of the asteroid can pull your ship off course at a critical time just before the warp jump in ways that SLI physics, in V1.0 at least, can't."
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Plus, people who can afford high end SLI/X-Fire systems obviously want the best. With their systems already straining under the weight of 1920x1200 and above, the last thing they will want to do is give up an entire card to physics.
I noticed that on the Alienware site when building a rig if you slap in two 7900GTX's SLI, it states the PPU will not have enough space to fit in?
Will that mean (when I buy mine today) that I wont be able to squeeze in a PPU if I buy a SLI 7900GTXs x 2 (I wont be buying from Alien btw just using there info).
f so ill wait till the next line of GPUs are out and can squeeze in both SLIs and a PPU! Anyone got any info on this?
Will that mean (when I buy mine today) that I wont be able to squeeze in a PPU if I buy a SLI 7900GTXs x 2 (I wont be buying from Alien btw just using there info).
f so ill wait till the next line of GPUs are out and can squeeze in both SLIs and a PPU! Anyone got any info on this?
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just wondering, when ya load up 3dmark06 it does say this on load up screen, would this in theory help scores, i know we dont build PC to bench all day normally, but if i gained a lot more marks then the benchers would by it
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some info about BFG's card here
http://www.bfgtech.com/physx/index.htm
the specs of it are :
http://www.bfgtech.com/physx/index.htm
the specs of it are :
and the games list :
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That cellfactor video blew me away, i just sat there with my jaw open.
Really interested in these cards,
Awesome if can be flipped over for pci-e 1x, or even a bridge connection, sli style physx cards anyone? :/
Really interested in these cards,
Awesome if can be flipped over for pci-e 1x, or even a bridge connection, sli style physx cards anyone? :/
Looks like cell factor could be this cards killer app.
The combat training vid here is very impressive
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2510
The combat training vid here is very impressive
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2510
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yeah that is impressive 
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the cell factor vid on the front page of their site amazes me, the barrels contracting then exploding and its all in multiplayer realtime, this is going to put pcs above consoles.