piracy? lets solve it with a letter!
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Nope.
My argument is that it seems reasonable people are prepared to pay for what for they want to watch but can't be bothered to wait and unreasonable people can't be bothered to pay for what they want to watch or pay for it and want to watch it now.
That's just compete selfishness.
But they aren't offering it for me to buy for another *year* so I'll watch it now and pay for it when they're willing to accept my money, if you don't want to sell something to someone don't get offended they download it for free. It's not really a question of what they want, they have to adapt if they want peoples money. sure ideally they shouldn't have to and technically no one has any right to watch it if they don't want you to but that isn't the reality of it.
People who don't want to pay no matter what? Sure, that's selfishness.
But for the people who are readily prepared and wanting to give the companies their money, I can totally see why they do it. There is a demand for content to be available readily available at a reasonable price, yet very few companies are moving to actually fill it. In any industry, if you don't work to accommodate your customer, it costs you business. The advantage for the customer in this case, is that they can still vote with their wallet, but have the content anyway, in effect both having their cake and eating it.
We live in an age where so many people are connected to the web, and downloading a 500MB-1GB file for many takes no time at all. If you want someone to buy your product/service, then you need to cater to what they want. That goes for any business.
I have all the books and the first 3 series on DVD. I refuse however to not watch it until they decide to release a box set 9 month later.
If they bloody let me pay to watch the series as it comes out i would.... they don't so i stream it.
Inaccessibility and high pricing causes most of the casual piracy... not someone wanting to be "evil" and ill swear to that until i die!
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You could also put it this way. If there was such a thing as a reasonable producer/manufacturer willing to release instantly at a reasonable price, perhaps there would be more people willing to be reasonable and willing to pay? You might, at the least convince the people willing to watch a tele screener or very low quality copy to pay for something of better quality and value if it were immediately available also? I think the idea that something has to find its way to the cinema first a bit outdated and counter productive personally. I can only go by the things that put me off like idiots making too much noise, having some fool kick the back of your chair and equipment not working properly etc on top of what has already been mentioned so far.
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I disagree. Whilst things like Netflix and Hulu (and now Amazon) are a step in the right direction, there's still a bunch of issues. The biggest one for me, at the moment, is cost.
Let's take someone who wants to watch just Game of Thrones, since it's reported as the most-pirated TV show. To get this in the UK, you have to take out a Sky subscription for £21.50 per month. You get ten episodes per series, one series per year so far, running over three months. That's £64.50 for ten episodes of a show, £6.45 per episode, if that's the only thing you watch (I don't know if there is a minimum contract length with Sky). How is that a good deal? You can buy a whole film on DVD for around that much.
Compare that to Instant Video from Amazon. You can pay £2.49 for an episode in HD, or £1.89 for SD - the cheapest option to get an entire series is £16.99; that's much better value. The downside, of course, is that you can't get it as it is being shown.
So, best deal for someone who wants to watch it as it is shown? Download it from other sources without paying. The amount of money the film and music industry puts into fighting piracy is obscene. If they invested just half as much of it into providing ways for people to get just the content they want, at reasonable prices and without any silliness, piracy would be an ever smaller problem (which is debatable anyway) than it is right now. The gaming industry, whilst not perfect, has certainly done a good job so far. I don't know anyone who resorts to piracy for their games any more, with the exception of those that are no longer available to buy.
I compleatly agree,
The way i see it,If games/movies were cheaper..and i mean a lot cheaper (set price),All the latest TV series were available on demand (and at the same time as in the US) then a lot of people wouldn't need to pirate.
Il give you an example,i have the top TV service available on Tivo,..i have Netflix that i renew auto every month,Yet still more than half of the stuff i want to watch isn't on there so what is one to do?
Robin Hood was a folk hero in his day, Look at people like Dotcom and other big pirates haha. No one has pity on multi billionaire studios apart from a few old podgie Tories because thier entertainment can cost as much as labour to buy for people on the lowest of wages you have to work two hours to pay for a two hour long Bluray lmao. Physical media is dying (Redray,Youtube,Netflix,Prime,Hulu) and making it so prices can almost half for HD content. Yet the same old Tories across the water simply cannot or will not let go of thier old dinosaur ways.
The profits will stay the same and piracy will all but die there is no need for any kind of method just let it be to the free market. Funny that all the Tories pine for free market yet when it comes to letting the free market at thier vested interests like banking and thier mates at the copyright industry suddenly they reverse thier free market crap. They should understand how the internet works everyone learned early that like Boob snaps you never put anything you prize on the internet because it is likely to be stolen and viewed by a Russian 11 year old hacker who will spread it around the world. Thats the nature of the internet and how it came to be you can not change that no matter how hard you try. Take a look at the drugs war for example want will always find a way. Name me one institution that managed to stop want even with all the police we have?
The profits will stay the same and piracy will all but die there is no need for any kind of method just let it be to the free market. Funny that all the Tories pine for free market yet when it comes to letting the free market at thier vested interests like banking and thier mates at the copyright industry suddenly they reverse thier free market crap. They should understand how the internet works everyone learned early that like Boob snaps you never put anything you prize on the internet because it is likely to be stolen and viewed by a Russian 11 year old hacker who will spread it around the world. Thats the nature of the internet and how it came to be you can not change that no matter how hard you try. Take a look at the drugs war for example want will always find a way. Name me one institution that managed to stop want even with all the police we have?
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The whole morality of this is just ridiculous.
The entertainment industry will quite happily bully publications into giving good reviews of their products, with threats of pulled advertising. They'll have their own employees post positive reviews on websites to counter bad ones. They'll boycott reviewers that don't sit well with them from attending premieres.
They'll pay an actor 20 million to do a movie an then tell you that piracy is doing people out of jobs.
I bought a Jim Carey film a couple of years ago called "All in good taste". It had a big picture of Jim on the front cover and the words "Starring Jim Carey" underneath in big letters. He was in it for literally less than two minutes, stood in the background and didn't utter a word. They made out he was the star of the film to sell something that was total rubbish. Surely that's bordering on deception?
They want us to continually buy the same thing over and over. You buy your favourite film on DVD and six months later they release the extended edition. Why not put all that footage on the original release? Because they know that they can milk the fans dry.
The music industry is a shadow of it's former self. The artists themselves are treated quite poorly in many cases. A member of Frankie goes to Hollywood said on one of the fan forums that from 70,000 plays of their songs on Spotify two years ago, he earned £2.33 on royalties. He said if another Frankie compilation album comes out, he recommends that fans download it for free, as he is so sick of how his record company have treated them over the years and there's little money in it for the band anyway.
I collect eighties music, but I am sickened by how many compilation albums I have to buy to get the songs I want. "20 great tracks, 18 of them were on our last compilation in a different order but there's also 2 songs that weren't on the last one " Why not release the next album with twenty different songs on it? Because they know they can just drip feed us, tossing in the occasional treat to keep us spending.
If there are people out there feeling ripped off by the entertainment industry they'll fell less guilty about returning the favour and ripping them off. When people see the huge paychecks floating around, it makes it hard to feel sorry for them. The whole industry needs to re-evaluate itself and how it does business, because a lot of people find it too easy to justify piracy as an alternative method of getting content at the moment.
The entertainment industry will quite happily bully publications into giving good reviews of their products, with threats of pulled advertising. They'll have their own employees post positive reviews on websites to counter bad ones. They'll boycott reviewers that don't sit well with them from attending premieres.
They'll pay an actor 20 million to do a movie an then tell you that piracy is doing people out of jobs.
I bought a Jim Carey film a couple of years ago called "All in good taste". It had a big picture of Jim on the front cover and the words "Starring Jim Carey" underneath in big letters. He was in it for literally less than two minutes, stood in the background and didn't utter a word. They made out he was the star of the film to sell something that was total rubbish. Surely that's bordering on deception?
They want us to continually buy the same thing over and over. You buy your favourite film on DVD and six months later they release the extended edition. Why not put all that footage on the original release? Because they know that they can milk the fans dry.
The music industry is a shadow of it's former self. The artists themselves are treated quite poorly in many cases. A member of Frankie goes to Hollywood said on one of the fan forums that from 70,000 plays of their songs on Spotify two years ago, he earned £2.33 on royalties. He said if another Frankie compilation album comes out, he recommends that fans download it for free, as he is so sick of how his record company have treated them over the years and there's little money in it for the band anyway.
I collect eighties music, but I am sickened by how many compilation albums I have to buy to get the songs I want. "20 great tracks, 18 of them were on our last compilation in a different order but there's also 2 songs that weren't on the last one " Why not release the next album with twenty different songs on it? Because they know they can just drip feed us, tossing in the occasional treat to keep us spending.
If there are people out there feeling ripped off by the entertainment industry they'll fell less guilty about returning the favour and ripping them off. When people see the huge paychecks floating around, it makes it hard to feel sorry for them. The whole industry needs to re-evaluate itself and how it does business, because a lot of people find it too easy to justify piracy as an alternative method of getting content at the moment.
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This.
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Escalation. You'd encourage every script kiddie out there to try and DDOS every .gov.uk site.
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Before the internet, I don't remember numerous people holding the opinion that is was stealing to borrow a video cassette from the neighbour or getting your mate with Sky to record that programme you want because you don't have satellite TV.
What's the difference? Weren't we 'denying someone a sale' by lending and borrowing media amongst our friends and collegues like we did? Yet there were no moral lectures from some, no media campaigns or industry spokepeople regularly condemning the practice.
I can almost guarantee that all the naysayers on here, over 25 years old, taped the Top 40, borrowed and lent computer games and watched the odd dodgy DVD before the net came about.
Principally, downloading content from the net is no different to any of the above it's just a lot easier, faster and a better end result now.
What's the difference? Weren't we 'denying someone a sale' by lending and borrowing media amongst our friends and collegues like we did? Yet there were no moral lectures from some, no media campaigns or industry spokepeople regularly condemning the practice.
I can almost guarantee that all the naysayers on here, over 25 years old, taped the Top 40, borrowed and lent computer games and watched the odd dodgy DVD before the net came about.
Principally, downloading content from the net is no different to any of the above it's just a lot easier, faster and a better end result now.
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And the so called 'losing' parties think they can now measure it.
Exactly. Taping radio stations and VHS copies, using Xcopy on Amiga, early 'Blobby' CDs. There are pirate recording going back way before this of live gigs and festivals
Its never going to stopped IMO
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You say that, but the big media companies really went to town to try and get home recording devices (VHS and Betamax era) banned. The courts upheld that they weren't illegal, which brought in the home video boom.
Lest we forget that they're also regularly sharing 'funny' and 'lulz' images and 'memes' with ultimate ignorance that copyright extends to images and any form of art/creation. Doubt they have the original creators consent for sharing those
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Lest we forget that they're also regularly sharing 'funny' and 'lulz' images and 'memes' with ultimate ignorance that copyright extends to images and any form of art/creation. Doubt they have the original creators consent for sharing those
That's a very good point. I mean do OCUK have permission from the various film and TV studios to use the avatars used on this site? I highly doubt it.
So it's rather ironic to be lecturerd about stealing people's artforms from users who are doing the same by choosing to use images that they 'legally' have no right to.
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Read up on fair use.