PlayStation 4 Pro in-bound

Threepwood · 28 Oct 2016 at 13:50

Is the cost of the Pro going to go up or down after launch?

Best guess? Worth pre-ordering now?

Xmas prezzy for kid.

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 13:52

FrankJH said:
Slightly misleading as HDR10 is on few discs at the moment , majority of UHD discs are neither HDR10 or DV -while still including HDR

(just shows how confusing the whole hdr situation is right now)

Thanks for the clarification, part of why I am waiting 3 - 5 years for the market to mature as I have screens I am happy with.

JoeBoi said:
5 copies of Fifa 14? .

Ha, I think they excluded FIFA from the promotion

ic1male · 28 Oct 2016 at 13:54

Threepwood said:
Is the cost of the Pro going to go up or down after launch?

Has any console gone up in price after launch? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Maybe Nintendo's but I pay little attention to them.

GHazy · 28 Oct 2016 at 13:59

This:

"More specifically, The new 4K UHD Blu-ray format supports high dynamic range in one of two ways, either through the Blu-ray Disc-approved “BD HDR” specs of the new technology, which are based on the HDR10 spec used in 4K HDR TVs approved by the UHD Alliance as “Ultra HD Premium” models or by the HDR format known as Dolby Vision, which comes from Dolby Labs and is also found in a number of 4K HDR TVs today such as those from Vizio and LG. In either case, the 4K video encoded in the new 4K Blu-ray discs is compressed through the HEVC (H.265) UHD video compression codec and also comes with 10-bit color depth along with nearly complete DCI-P3 color space coverage."

If you are willing to wait 3-5 years for things to mature then you'll say the same again in 3-5 years. You are on a tech forum, tech changes all the time you should buy for now and enjoy not for 5 years away.

I repeat what I say and this is after a pro calibration of my TV who said HDR10 is a standard but when BBC etc stream their HDR it will 99% be supported by a firmware update. It's simple a container/standard they are working towards

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:04

I have what I need for now, thanks for your concern. I'm enjoying what I have.

GHazy · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:10

Jae-So said:
I have what I need for now, thanks for your concern. I'm enjoying what I have.

I didn't mean that in a negative way, and happy that you got what you need.

malachi · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:16

JoeBoi said:
5 copies of Fifa 14? .

T&C's say sports games are not included apart from the latest ones.

malachi · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:18

ic1male said:
Has any console gone up in price after launch? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Maybe Nintendo's but I pay little attention to them.

Yes but due to stock issues not because of RRP.

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:24

GHazy said:
I didn't mean that in a negative way, and happy that you got what you need.

Sorry mate, didn't mean to sound negative either.

I'm happy with my set up but have a clear idea of the screens I want next (already having 4K):
Very thin OLED with fuller support of the HDR spectrum including local dimming and potentially 8k.
That's all potentially overkill but I want to see how much of that is feasible in the timescale I've set out. That's my personal worth it metre

WhiteHawk77 · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:38

Jae-So said:
Sorry mate, didn't mean to sound negative either.

I'm happy with my set up but have a clear idea of the screens I want next (already having 4K):
Very thin OLED with full support of the HDR spectrum including local dimming and potentially 8k.
That's all potentially overkill but I want to see how much of that is feasible in the timescale I've set out. That's my personal worth it metre

The full range for HDR is thousands of NITs and Dolby Vision is 10,000 NITs, The best LCD TV peaks at about 1400 and OLED is half that right now, you may never see a OLED with good HDR support, not unless they discover a breakthrough to make them a lot brighter.

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:40

WhiteHawk77 said:
The full range for HDR is thousands of NITs and Dolby Vision is 10,000 NITs, The best LCD TV peaks at about 1400 and OLED is half that right now, you may never see a OLED with good HDR support, not unless they discover a breakthrough to make them a lot brighter.

Oops didn't realise it was that big, I'll edit to "fuller range"

Threepwood · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:40

ic1male said:
Has any console gone up in price after launch? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Maybe Nintendo's but I pay little attention to them.

Sure, I would not usually think otherwise its just we are in a funny market atm.

GHazy · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:43

The new Sony ZD9 has been measured at over 1700 nits. My Tv peaks at just under 1300

If OLED produces having peak nits then this must have an effect on life span unless something changes.

HDR = LED/LCD
SDR/BR = OLED

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 14:48

We never know what developments we will see, as you mentioned before a lot can happen on 3 - 5 years.
The hope is we see better peak brightness on OLED screens combined with the deeper blacks we can currently get.

JoeBoi · 28 Oct 2016 at 16:09

FrankJH said:
you slightly missed the point.

Retailers generall display all tv's with out of the box settings, but some manufacturers have less than ideal settings out of the box so arent being displayed to their best.

This is also changable between different ranges from the same manufacturer (and to a lesser extent one box/tv to another in the same range).

Obviously some premium retailers / premium locations may calibrate individually also but generally this isnt the case

Slightly misleading as HDR10 is on few discs at the moment , majority of UHD discs are neither HDR10 or DV -while still including HDR

(just shows how confusing the whole hdr situation is right now)

I haven't missed the point, maybe I haven't put my point across very well.

My point is, I don't think retailers make the more expensive TVs look better over the others just for sale of the higher price products.

Your point if correct clears the whole thing up

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DooMeR · 28 Oct 2016 at 17:37

Just a quick question will the ps pro downscale 4k content for people who dont have a 4k tv. I have decent 1080p tv and a 2k monitor.

Really tempted to order a pro as a christmas present but i don't really want to shell out for a 4k hdr tv to get the most out of a pro.

Threepwood · 28 Oct 2016 at 18:26

I dont think there is any 4k content, its all upscaled to 4k and the bluray player does not support 4k discs.

Jae-So · 28 Oct 2016 at 18:35

DooMeR said:
Just a quick question will the ps pro downscale 4k content for people who dont have a 4k tv. I have decent 1080p tv and a 2k monitor.

Really tempted to order a pro as a christmas present but i don't really want to shell out for a 4k hdr tv to get the most out of a pro.

Up to the devs, but many have talked about rendering at higher than display res (super sampling), higher FPS, better looking Game at 1080p. Sony sound like they are leaving it to the devs. Tomb raider has a few modes for example, if I remember correctly, these are:
- 4K/30 (not native I imagine)
-1080/45
-1080/30 with better graphics.

Seanspeed · 28 Oct 2016 at 18:47

DooMeR said:
Just a quick question will the ps pro downscale 4k content for people who dont have a 4k tv.

Yes.

Threepwood said:
I dont think there is any 4k content, its all upscaled to 4k and the bluray player does not support 4k discs.

There are titles being rendered at a native 4k.

Arthur Hucksake · 28 Oct 2016 at 19:02

DooMeR said:
Just a quick question will the ps pro downscale 4k content for people who dont have a 4k tv. I have decent 1080p tv and a 2k monitor.

Really tempted to order a pro as a christmas present but i don't really want to shell out for a 4k hdr tv to get the most out of a pro.

Because most of the "4K" games aren't even native, i'm expecting 1080p will get far more love than expected.

I think it was Cerny himself who said even downscaling a 4K image to 1080p will offer vast improvements to quality let alone the actual direct 1080p direct features.

With the price difference between Pro and Slim, I think it's worth a punt.