PlayStation 4 Pro in-bound

beachBOYken said:
Just get one now, I don't have any care for 4k or this VR thingy either.
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but you move your head left and the screen moves with you? how could you not want that feature? :eek:

i can see it being a bad thing for gaming tbh as developers try and force games to use it so they feel ridiculous if you don't and just end up with a mess of a game.

it will mainly be single player games too, which i don't tend to play. it would be good for mirrors edge but can't see any other game i would want it in.
 
beachBOYken said:
Just get one now, I don't have any care for 4k or this VR thingy either.
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Playing traditional games with VR bolted on doesn't interest me, but something built for VR does a great deal. One thing I noticed while playing with the Oculus dev kits was that in game detail really doesn't matter. You could be running around in something as detailed minecraft and the experience will be more convincing and immersive than the most cutting edge, AAA title on a standard panel - and that's because it's all you can see. And when it's all you can see, it feels real. Like really real. Not like you playing a video game. Like you're in one. And it's great! Things like Eve sound great on paper, but didn't impress me in the slightest. Playing the Mr Totoro demo - walking through the woods, watching Mr Totorto emerge from the trees, waiting at the bus stop for the catbus (this probably sounds crazy as **** if you haven't seen Mr Totoro!), watching the rain come down and really feeling like I was inside the cartoon - introduced me to something epic I hadn't experienced in over 30+ years of gaming. If done right I honestly don't see how traditional gaming can compare.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
but you move your head left and the screen moves with you? how could you not want that feature? :eek:

i can see it being a bad thing for gaming tbh as developers try and force games to use it so they feel ridiculous if you don't and just end up with a mess of a game.

it will mainly be single player games too, which i don't tend to play. it would be good for mirrors edge but can't see any other game i would want it in.
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For real?

Im honestly not bothered, I don't want any device on my head. If its great then good, but everyone has there choices and I don't intend on getting it.
4k on the other hand is something I will get eventually as and when I replace my devices.
 
Craterloads said:
From everything I've read it looks like it is a hardware upgrade using AMDs Polaris 11, which in my opinion is great. This gen is already starting to show its age and a refresh is needed (option for those who want it).

If it works little like this, all good by me: -

All games are backward and forward compatible between PS4 and PS4k. Games will simply scale down to PS4 levels which I imagine isn't too difficult and not exactly fracturing the market as from 1 locked hardware platform to 2 locked platforms isn't overly difficult especially when its all the same AMD tech.

Consoles are forward / backward compatible at least 1 gen, so PS4 and PS4k, the PS4k and PS5 and so on. Perhaps backwards compatibility will be longer as it wont have any affect on developing newer games (holding back due to low baseline).

PS4 owners don't really have anything to whinge about getting short changed, as there experience will not change, so games are exactly the same performance they would have through the full life of the console. The option is available for those who can to buy a premium model for better performance.

Perhaps in the VR scene the PS4 will make use of reprojection to get a native 60fps bumped to 120fps, whilst the PS4k can do 120fps natively and all other things remain equal.

Cheaper PS4 slim model on 14nm at $199-$249 range and the new PS4k replacing it at $399 and both sold along side each other.

Cant wait for e3 what ever happens!
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Starting to show its age. Crazy to think about. Sony flagship studios like Naughty Dog hasn't even released a native PS4 game yet! Same with Guerilla Games. Discounting Shadow Fall which really is just a rush job (considering the whole 4GB Memory debacle)to get something out the door for PS4 launch year, they're still working on their first proper PS4 game with no official release date.

Surely there's at least another 2-3 years left in the current gen?
 
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Been reading through this thread and it's hilarious. But it is nice to see pretty much everyone has their heads straight and knows that this won't be for 4k gaming.

Plainsong said:
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Indeed, it was. Might I ask what movie it's based from if anyone knows?

A lot of people doom and glooming current gen, mentioning these consoles don't have many exclusives or that the good games are multiplatform... nobody bats an eye towards the WiiU. Sure Nintendo are fools these days, but as someone who owns a gaming-capable PC and consoles, the WiiU is honestly what I've been playing the most for it's exclusives. Even then it's still very shallow, so I can understand where folks are coming from.

Most of all, it's a damn shame that consoles are tied in with TV. 4k is viable on PC due in part to affordable 4k PC monitors. The jump from 1080p to 1440p isn't too bad, but the jump from 1080p to 4k is huge. But considering current consoles sometimes run games at unorthodox resolutions, it is entirely possible that the next gen of consoles in a few years may target 1440p with a 4k output, uprezzing the 1440p to display on 4k screens. So 1440p for consoles in the future isn't completely out.

Consoles should embrace PC monitors if anything, they have a chance at improving resolution there at least. There's no such thing as 1440p TV screens, but 1440p monitors exist and adoption rates are on the rise too. A good many folks already use their consoles on monitors, myself included (I didn't have the PC at the time and specifically chose a monitor over a TV for better response times and future/now PC compatibility in mind).
 
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Warbie said:
Agreed. We're still waiting for a decent amount of proper, current gen content. A new, better performing console released now would do little but annoy current gen owners.
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I really can't see it being better performing for games. Despite what your general moron on the street thinks, all of us here are savvy enough to know whatever they release, won't run games at 4K. There's just no way. Seeing that not everyone will upgrade to whatever they release, the game studios have to keep catering for the lowest common denominator, eg, a bog standard PS4.

Like others here said, it'll be something like a 4K media output with hardware aimed at running PSVR. Both totally optional and makes no difference to your current PS4 experience.

Next generation (PS5, Xbox Two), well, might be more interesting if they make the machines fully modular, swapping out hardware via PnP in an easy manner so non tech savvy people can do it too. That way the studios can still make only the one game but offer different settings ala PC gaming with extra candy for those that want to spend a bit more.

But 4K console gaming. Maybe PS6.
 
mahius said:
Been reading through this thread and it's hilarious. But it is nice to see pretty much everyone has their heads straight and knows that this won't be for 4k gaming.



Indeed, it was. Might I ask what movie it's based from if anyone knows?

A lot of people doom and glooming current gen, mentioning these consoles don't have many exclusives or that the good games are multiplatform... nobody bats an eye towards the WiiU. Sure Nintendo are fools these days, but as someone who owns a gaming-capable PC and consoles, the WiiU is honestly what I've been playing the most for it's exclusives. Even then it's still very shallow, so I can understand where folks are coming from.

Most of all, it's a damn shame that consoles are tied in with TV. 4k is viable on PC due in part to affordable 4k PC monitors. The jump from 1080p to 1440p isn't too bad, but the jump from 1080p to 4k is huge. But considering current consoles sometimes run games at unorthodox resolutions, it is entirely possible that the next gen of consoles in a few years may target 1440p with a 4k output, uprezzing the 1440p to display on 4k screens. So 1440p for consoles in the future isn't completely out.

Consoles should embrace PC monitors if anything, they have a chance at improving resolution there at least. There's no such thing as 1440p TV screens, but 1440p monitors exist and adoption rates are on the rise too. A good many folks already use their consoles on monitors, myself included (I didn't have the PC at the time and specifically chose a monitor over a TV for better response times and future/now PC compatibility in mind).
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the masses will never game on a monitor.

i game on a monitor as i didn't want image retention on my plasma. otherwise i'd game on a tv.

pc gamers and people on a computing forum sure yeah they will use monitors but not joe bloggs who has bought his 12 year old son a console for christmas or joe bloggs the window cleaner who thinks "what's a pc didn't they get rid of them 15 years ago for laptops?".

people would be up in arms tbh. what do you mean i need to buy a monitor to make full use of the console. i have bought my son a 50" £300 polaroid tv and now you want me to spend another £200 on a 24" screen for console use? i just don't see that happening ever. consoles are designed to be used with tv's and i don't see that changing.

you do make a great point i don't believe the next gen will be 4k gaming capable. well maybe games like resogun but not a proper free roaming game like fallout, etc. so where do they go from here? well 1080p and 60fps is the answer. once they nail that down for every game. the generation after the next generation should be able to do 4k at say 30fps. by then people will have adopted 4k tv's and their prices reduced massively. in fact it will be rare to find a 1080p in stores then and the push for 8k will be on.
 
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