Political Correctness Gone Mad Again

Modern men? Ha! emasculated sounds like a more apt description. What, with all that 'modern man' allegedly spends on 'care products' and daren't say boo to a goose where the opposite sex are concerned, do me a favour.

Goodness only knows what many would do in times of conflict. Please sarge I can't wear that tin helmet, I've only just done my hair, now where's my deodorant. ;)
Love this and do so agree.
What's all this be the better man tosh?
 
Goodness only knows what many would do in times of conflict. Please sarge I can't wear that tin helmet, I've only just done my hair, now where's my deodorant. ;)
I'd be asking why I've got some POS bloody tin lid instead of kevlar, or at least an old steel one....

Besides, you don't even need helmets any more. Just a joystick for your drone.... which basically makes us all Tom Cruise flyboys in swivel chairs, so fancy haircuts, deordorant and sunglasses are the uniform of the day!! :D
 
I'd be asking why I've got some POS bloody tin lid instead of kevlar, or at least an old steel one....

Besides, you don't even need helmets any more. Just a joystick for your drone.... which basically makes us all Tom Cruise flyboys in swivel chairs, so fancy haircuts, deordorant and sunglasses are the uniform of the day!! :D

Not another deluded soul who thinks wars can be won by 'air campaigns' alone. Whenever I conjure up an image of modern man in conflicts around the world I always think of 'it ain't half hot mum'. ;) You can just imagine a covert night op when the CO tells everyone to switch off their iPhone/Android device - but sir, I need to check my FB status. :p
 
Look on bright side. You will both be dead soon.
No more having to cope with modern life.
 
Not another deluded soul who thinks wars can be won by 'air campaigns' alone.
Actually no, just a former Rifleman with a very cynical view of the deluded sould that run the modern world. ;)

Whenever I conjure up an image of modern man in conflicts around the world I always think of 'it ain't half hot mum'.
That's not too different from how it's always been, though...

You can just imagine a covert night op when the CO tells everyone to switch off their iPhone/Android device - but sir, I need to check my FB status. :p
No such thing as covert anymore. The enemy know you're coming from the thunk-thunk-thunk sounds as your kit falls apart... !!
 
I was trying to find an -ist applying to masculine, similar to feminist, the closest I got was masochist. :D

Guyist

Thing is I don't think there is a male equivalent really. Men don't really give a **** about the kind of things feminists do :p

There is a male equivalent. Exactly the same ideology - advocacy for one sex. Different strains of it that disagree on the details, often vehemently, but the same ideology. Different degrees of extremism(*), but the same ideology. In other words, exactly the same as feminism.

They tend to favour "Men's Rights Advocates" nowadays, though they had "masculist" in the past. In the same way, for the same reasons, feminism was often called "women's rights" in the past. I'm fairly sure the reason why feminists chose one nomenclature and MRAs the other is because they all know they're followers of the same ideology (advocacy for one sex) but are desperate to pretend that they're totally, totally different to each other. Which they're not. Not in the slghtest. The only difference between the two versions of the same ideology is power and thus the ability to cause harm.




* I regard advocating for one sex as an inherently extreme position, since it requires believing that everyone is defined by their sex, that humanity only really consists of two entities rather than billions of individuals and that at the very least only the "right" sex is worthy of any consideration on a social and political scale. And that's the most "moderate" position possible within the ideology, one that's not overtly hostile to the "wrong" sex.
 
How do you feel about a group, any group, seeking to achieve equal treatment?

Equal treatment for a group is equal treatment for all people within that group. Not between that group and outsiders. Different thing entirely. Advocating for one group is also different to either of those things. Pretending that group identity and advocacy is overall equality is a means of usurping and corrupting the whole idea of equality, which makes a lot of sense politically since group advocates must be opposed to equality. The reason why the use of language by the government in George Orwell's "1984" has become so well known is because it's a realistic and effective tactic. Words are the tools people use to communicate and even to a large extent to think, so corrupting them into a different (and preferably opposite) usage is very effective at suppressing dissent and creating a false (but politically very useful) facade of wider support. You can see a particularly quick and effective example today (especially in the USA) with the authoritarian, intolerant, violent and irrationally prejudiced ideology that has usurped the word "liberal".

I have never heard of any group advocacy ideology seeking to achieve equal treatment between different groups. I think it's impossible. The basic ideas are too incompatible. I allow for the possibility that some people might think they can somehow make it possible, that they can use the wrong tool for the right job, but no-one has ever succeeded in doing it and I think no-one ever will. Of course, if they did succeed then they would have radically changed the entire ideology so it was no longer a group advocacy ideology. Sometimes you can get a job done with the wrong tool, albeit not as well, but sometimes the tool is so wrong for the job that it just can't be done.
 
I'm pretty sure most Mens Rights groups just want Men to be treated fairly under law, especially when it comes to things like access to children and divorce settlements, which is completely in the favour of women by all accounts. There's no desire for anything more than that.
 
I'm pretty sure most Mens Rights groups just want Men to be treated fairly under law, especially when it comes to things like access to children and divorce settlements, which is completely in the favour of women by all accounts. There's no desire for anything more than that.

And feminists would say the same about feminist groups.

They'd both be wrong, for the same reasons. Although they'd both be sort of right too, in that they would both regard anything that benefitted their favoured group as being "fair".

Besides, if someone just wants some inequalities removed for the "right" group they're not after equality anyway, even if they do just want some inequalities removed.

An example:

A has 3 £20 notes, 1 £10 note, 2 £5 notes and £8 in coins.
B has 1 £20 note, 1 £10 notes, 8 £5 notes and £10 in coins.

To an A-ist who "just wants A to be treated fairly" and who actually means "fairly" in that context(*), 3 of the fivers and coins should be taken from B and given to A so A and B have the same amount of fivers and £1 of coins should be taken from B and given to A so A and B have the same value of coins too.

To a B-ist who "just wants B to be treated fairly" and who actually means "fairly" in that context(*), 1 of the £20 notes should be taken from A and given to B so A and B have the same amount of twenties.

Before: A had £88, B had £80.

After successful "really fair" A-ism: A has £104, B has £64.

After successful "really fair" B-ism: A has £68, B has £100.

A-B egalitarianism would consider A and B, not just A or B, and seek equality in all things.

After succesful A-B egalitariansim: A has £88, B has £88.

EDIT: In theory, you could get A-B egalitarianism by combing A-ism and B-ism. In practice, that's about as likely as combining far right and far left activists to get a centralist group. It might possibly be done on a small scale with less ideologically committed people, but it's not going to come to much.



* In practice, most if not all A-ists and B-ists would want a bigger inequality than that and rationalise it by claiming that since their favoured group identity had less in the past it should have more in present and the future to make things "equal". They'd probably use some silly nonsense about a race and laces tied together to pretend that the discrimination they want is equality. That's the most common form of the lie. They might even believe it - since they think in terms of group identities they don't even distinguish much if at all between people who are dead and people who are alive and people who will be born in the future. A is A is A. B is B is B.
 
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And feminists would say the same about feminist groups.

They'd both be wrong, for the same reasons. Although they'd both be sort of right too, in that they would both regard anything that benefitted their favoured group as being "fair".

Besides, if someone just wants some inequalities removed for the "right" group they're not after equality anyway, even if they do just want some inequalities removed.

An example:

A has 3 £20 notes, 1 £10 note, 2 £5 notes and £8 in coins.
B has 1 £20 note, 1 £10 notes, 8 £5 notes and £10 in coins.

To an A-ist who "just wants A to be treated fairly" and who actually means "fairly" in that context(*), 3 of the fivers and coins should be taken from B and given to A so A and B have the same amount of fivers and £1 of coins should be taken from B and given to A so A and B have the same value of coins too.

To a B-ist who "just wants B to be treated fairly" and who actually means "fairly" in that context(*), 1 of the £20 notes should be taken from A and given to B so A and B have the same amount of twenties.

Before: A had £88, B had £80.

After successful "really fair" A-ism: A has £104, B has £64.

After successful "really fair" B-ism: A has £68, B has £100.

A-B egalitarianism would consider A and B, not just A or B, and seek equality in all things.

After succesful A-B egalitariansim: A has £88, B has £88.

EDIT: In theory, you could get A-B egalitarianism by combing A-ism and B-ism. In practice, that's about as likely as combining far right and far left activists to get a centralist group. It might possibly be done on a small scale with less ideologically committed people, but it's not going to come to much.



* In practice, most if not all A-ists and B-ists would want a bigger inequality than that and rationalise it by claiming that since their favoured group identity had less in the past it should have more in present and the future to make things "equal". They'd probably use some silly nonsense about a race and laces tied together to pretend that the discrimination they want is equality. That's the most common form of the lie. They might even believe it - since they think in terms of group identities they don't even distinguish much if at all between people who are dead and people who are alive and people who will be born in the future. A is A is A. B is B is B.

The only silly nonsense here is this entire post :p
 
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