Political Correctness Gone Mad Again

Caracus2k said:
Manufacturers dont often change chocolate, biscuit or watering can manufacturing priorities due to ideological attack from people who who often aren't even the products consumers either...
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Really?

The War On Sugar?
Mumsnet going ape over a shape change to the Dairy Milk bar?
Fair Trade concerns?
Slavery and child labour?
Female inequality?
Yorkie Bar - It's not for girls!!

Just a few examples of recently changed priorities from chocolate alone, not always driven by direct consumers. I'm sure there's something similar with biscuits and watering cans if I look...

Oh look...... "Organic genderless gingerbread figures"!!!!!!
 
ttaskmaster said:
Really?

The War On Sugar? - IDENTIFIABLE HARM CAUSED BY EXCESSIVE SUGAR CONSUMPTION WITH CONSIDERABLE EXTERNALITIES. OPPOSITION ISN'T BASED ON DOGMATIC POLITICAL IDEOLOGY BUT ESTABLISHED SCIENCE.

Mumsnet going ape over a shape change to the Dairy Milk bar? A CON BY DAIRY TO DISGUISE SELLING YOU LESS CHOCLATE FOR THE SAME PRICE

Fair Trade concerns? ONLY A CONCERNS RE THE SOURCE OF THE RAW GOODS NOT OTHERWISE THE PRODUCT ITSELF. MOSTLY A MARKETING CON TO CHARGE A CUSTOMER 20P EXTRA FOR SOMETHING LIKE A COFFEE WHILST THE BEAN GROWER IS LUCKY TO SEE A PENNY

Slavery and child Labour? IDENTIFIABLE HARM ONLY CONCERNS THE SOURCE OF LABOUR NOT NECESSARILY THE PRODUCT ITSELF

Female inequality?


Yorkie Bar - It's not for girls!! AS CLOSE AS YOU GET, IN MY OPINION TO AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE

Just a few examples of recently changed priorities from chocolate alone, not always driven by direct consumers. I'm sure there's something similar with biscuits and watering cans if I look...

Oh look...... "Organic genderless gingerbread figures"!!!!!!
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Most of your examples involved/ involve a considerable amount of pressure from the customers aware of the issues as well...
It doesn't really help to compare child slaves to women working by choice in promotional roles either
 
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VincentHanna said:
It was probably the Marxists.
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No femamarxists. I mean the whole world must literally stay the same for eternity because 5 people are bothered about seeing hot chicks with everything they buy or see.

The world's changed guys... Either do something about it or deal with it.....
No one important or with any influence really cares.... I mean you are genuinely going to go and your opinions, extinct in a generation.
Think about it...and no one cares..
How does it feel to actually have an insignificant opinion? :p
Wait I know that I voted labour a few times, and libdem once...
 
Efour said:
No femamarxists. I mean the whole world must literally stay the same for eternity because 5 people are bothered about seeing hot chicks with everything they buy or see.

The world's changed guys... Either do something about it or deal with it.....
No one important or with any influence really cares.... I mean you are genuinely going to go and your opinions, extinct in a generation. Think about it...and no one cares..
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I willing to argue that marxism is not only a bad idea but an immoral one...and I am willing to stand by and defend that belief...

I take it you are for following the sheep and rolling over in the hope they dont get to meddling with anything you actually care for before you die?
 
Caracus2k said:
Most of your examples involved/ involve a considerable amount of pressure from the customers aware of the issues as well...
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As well, but not entirely.
BUT SINCE THE REST OF YOUR REPLY IS IN SCREAMING CAPS LIKE SOME MILITANT UNI STUDENT, I hesitate to even bother addressing it.....!!

But still, these remain changes to manufacturing priorities resulting from external pressures.

Science? What the government says is not science, whether they're harping on about low calorie, low fat, low salt, low sugar or buying diesel cars.
A con to supposedly disguise (for some reason known only to you) the (again) lower sugar requirements and issues of people getting fat.
Raw source of goods - Doesn't matter. If the farmer says he works for or sells to Cadbury, it's still their brand that suffers.
Labour source - Same thing. It's their brand that gets associated with it.
Female inequality? Not even addressed.

Again, just a few examples. I'm sure there will be far more sexism and all that in the advertising side.

Caracus2k said:
It doesn't really help to compare child slaves to women working by choice in promotional roles either
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Why not?
People don't give a toss about either, until some lefty kicks up a fuss... and then it's forgotten again amidst the coporate political spin, so long as people get their products as before.
 
stockhausen said:
It is clear that nothing is going to disabuse you of your bizarre notion that standing up for the right of repressed and inadequate perverts to leer at scantily dressed young women is some kind of noble crusade for human rights so I will stop trying.
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Its also clear that you won't be disabused of your bizarre notion that feminism should mean one group of women stopping another from doing something when the former group can't even make a coherent argument as to why said activity should stop
 
ttaskmaster said:
As well, but not entirely.
BUT SINCE THE REST OF YOUR REPLY IS IN SCREAMING CAPS LIKE SOME MILITANT UNI STUDENT, I hesitate to even bother addressing it.....!!
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On the phone so caps as a quick way to distinguish my replies from your comment
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I'll refine my original post to be clearer by saying 'political' ideological pressure not from customers

Excessive sugar harms humans and it doesnt take much chocolate to exceed recommended daily human intakes... Simple fact not political ideology

Why not?
People don't give a toss about either, until some lefty kicks up a fuss... and then it's forgotten again amidst the coporate political spin, so long as people get their products as before.
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Stop pretending that the 'left' is synomous with caring or morality... It's not as history clearly shows. Socialism is a corrupt and immoral ideology
 
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Efour said:
No femamarxists. I mean the whole world must literally stay the same for eternity because 5 people are bothered about seeing hot chicks with everything they buy or see.

The world's changed guys... Either do something about it or deal with it.....
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Wise words. For example I just buy a bottle of soy sauce now and a Chicken and Mushroom Pot is almost as good as it used to be.
 
You don’t seem to have come up with any alternatives that don’t violate the right to freedom of expression though.
 
Em3bbs said:
Wise words. For example I just buy a bottle of soy sauce now and a Chicken and Mushroom Pot is almost as good as it used to be.
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Exactly! Next time I'm forced to watch F1, the start of a darts match or go to a roofing tradefare I'll pour soya sauce in my eyes.
 
Caracus2k said:
Its also clear that you won't be disabused of your bizarre notion that feminism should mean one group of women stopping another from doing something when the former group can't even make a coherent argument as to why said activity should stop
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Doesn't matter what it should mean. Only matters what it ends up meaning, which at the moment is as above.
Definitions differ, even between Marxists, as well as changing over time.

Caracus2k said:
On the phone so caps as a quick way to distinguish my replies from your comment
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You think I (or anyone else here, for that matter) couldn't tell my own words from yours? :p

Caracus2k said:
I'll refine my original post to be clearer by saying 'political' ideological pressure not from customers
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That makes it worse, especially with overseas concerns, given that customers/consumers can be just as much of a political tool as anything else!!

Caracus2k said:
Excessive sugar harms humans and it doesnt take much chocolate to exceed recommended daily human intakes... Simple fact not political ideology
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Excess anything does, though. Sugar is just the current target of convenience.

Caracus2k said:
Stop pretending that the 'left' is synomous with caring or morality...
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I'll stop pretending it when they stop pretending the same! :p
Nah, in truth I don't believe they care at all beyond their own selfish interests.
 
RDM said:
You don’t seem to have come up with any alternatives that don’t violate the right to freedom of expression though.
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Freedom of expression is not freedom from consequence, though.
You have every right to express yourself and (I believe) the freedom to do so without fear of persecution by the government.
Persecution by other people, however...
 
Freakbro said:
Wasn't sure where to post this, as it relates to many threads, like the #metoo and all the outrage at banning grid girls etc but I saw this last night and it seemed an articulate and very sensible point of view from a chippendale (/no sarcasm)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43120177/do-male-strip-dancers-feel-objectified
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Isn't that the point of strippers though? To be objectified and thought as a sexual object? When you go to a strip club you go to look at the men/women. When you go to F1 you are there for the racing but there is women in tight clothing shoe horned in for no apparent reason which is relevant to the sport.
 
MikeTheNative said:
Isn't that the point of strippers though? To be objectified and thought as a sexual object? [..]
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No. A sexual attraction to objects is a completely different (and much rarer) thing. Like that chap who had sex with cars, for example. People watch strippers to see people in a sexual context, not objects. Different thing entirely.
 
Angilion said:
No. A sexual attraction to objects is a completely different (and much rarer) thing. Like that chap who had sex with cars, for example. People watch strippers to see people in a sexual context, not objects. Different thing entirely.
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disagree there, that sort of sexual attraction is far different to lusting after/"appreciating" a trim wench taking her clothes off and gyrating in front of you in a deliberately seductive manner. while i agree w/ what you kinda say, i'd argue there IS some form of an attraction to that lady.
 
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