Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting


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Indeed, I would put Labour under Corbyn as worse than the Conservatives, but then identity politics was never my thing so I am not ideologically wed to any party.

Putting an individual as worse than a party is odd enough, the rest of the sentence is borderline nonsensical.
 
Whether he has or hasn't has no bearing on whether he's wrong or right, so surely it would be easier to simply prove him wrong and make him look stupid? Assuming of course you can prove him wrong.

I've already proven him wrong, he pointed out a firm of solicitors said it wasn't a precedent when it was. The judgement in the White case set a legal precedent. Until that case is appealed and the defendant wins, it sets a legal precedent in which further cases of this matter will look at the judgement and how it came about. Whether he chooses to believe that or not that's up to him.
 
Just lol. So what you're saying is you're unable to evidence your claim, so are instead going for diversionary tactics? Fairly transparent, pal... third parties can see this... eg. Kenai above.

I'll answer your question once you've provided the (good) evidence requested.

I've already evidenced my claim, your backing your claim on a firm of solicitors that say it isn't when the Judge said it was.
 
Putting an individual as worse than a party is odd enough, the rest of the sentence is borderline nonsensical.

The leader helps dictate the direction of the party. I find Corbyn to be distasteful for a number of reasons, a Labour party that he is in charge of isn't one I could support. Is that clearer?

The second part of the sentence was to do with the fact that far too many are heavily invested in a political party so that the other parties stop being people with different points of view but the enemy. That sort of politics isn't really for me. For example for some criticising Corbyn is akin to criticising god. I hope that helps you make some sense of my sentence.
 
God that's a voting leaflet in favour of the Tories, not even a good peice of journalism.

The base point is true enough; Brexit negotiations probably will end with us leaving with no deal. We can try to be reasonable, offer mutually beneficial terms, but it's increasingly looking like the EU will try and play hardball.

I do find it concerning that Labour and the Lib Dems have made pledges on Brexit that they are unlikely to be able to fulfill. I suppose with the Libs it doesn't fully matter; in the highly unlikely event they win, they would just revoke Article 50.
 
A precedent isn't the same as a legally binding precedent. Jesus wept.

And you say, 'the judge said it was' as though he's backed up your specific claim... when he didn't.

We should probably bear in mind here that,

a) I'm dubious to what extent you know what you're talking about given you tried to claim Bear Scotland backed you up, given that case was regarding a different (albeit similar) issue which might have come up after a hasty google... confusing voluntary overtime with compulsory overtime wasn't a good start.

b) ACAS is on my side!

Go read what the Judge said.

You haven't a clue, go read the White case.

ACAS is always right is it?

You still haven't answered the question or as per usual your relying on wiki for your information.
 
Point me to a specific paragraph which says about binding precedents?

Probably more often than you are, given you've been either wrong or unable to answer simple questions, so far!

I haven't consulted Wikipedia once :confused:.

It doesn't need to be written to be a binding precedent.

Of course you have.

I'll leave you to carrying on thinking you know better than the judge who passed the judgement on the White case.
 
Seems many suffer from short term memory loss when it comes to Tory track record. How anyone could be silly enough to vote for them is beyond me :( kinda frightening so many are prepared to sell out for the sake of false ideology. I can't see how the Tory manifesto is relevant to the vast majority of people here. I would put money on most being in a position of financial hardship - why would you choose to make things even tougher on yourselves?

Then the Lib dems talking of short term memory loss... has everyone forgotten what happened last time?

It's like Turkeys voting to keep Christmas.
 
I can't see how the Tory manifesto is relevant to the vast majority of people here. I would put money on most being in a position of financial hardship - why would you choose to make things even tougher on yourselves?

Are you joking? Have you looked in the 'what have you bought' or 'what watch do you wear' threads recently? People on here are not in financial hardship, the only hardship for most people on here seemingly is figuring out what to spend all their surplus money on.
 
The base point is true enough; Brexit negotiations probably will end with us leaving with no deal. We can try to be reasonable, offer mutually beneficial terms, but it's increasingly looking like the EU will try and play hardball.

I do find it concerning that Labour and the Lib Dems have made pledges on Brexit that they are unlikely to be able to fulfill. I suppose with the Libs it doesn't fully matter; in the highly unlikely event they win, they would just revoke Article 50.

Indeed, brexit is complicated, but a lot of that complication is coming from the eu, not from the UK, look at the eu citizens rights issue, it is easy to solve, but the eu, so far, has rebuffed every attempt to solve it. Now they are saying it will take months, but the only reason it would is down to eu members not wanting to offer reciprocal rights.

The eu has long suffered from decision making paralysis due to the design, that is not our fault, but the fault of the EU. I voted remain, I would like a good deal, but it is definitely possible to get a 'deal' that is worse than just walking away, and we have to be prepared to do that.
 
I'm not questioning what the employment judge said in the aforementioned case... I'm questioning your claim that it creates a binding legal precedent which means that voluntary overtime counts towards holiday pay.

'I'll leave you carrying on thinking' :D. Translation, you can't evidence your claim. Which is weird... I'd've thought you'd just post it and own me... rather than running away with your tail between your legs.

Did the judge rule that voluntary overtime counts towards holiday pay, yes is the simple answer, therefore it creates a binding precedent until such time its appealed and the defendant wins. You carry on thinking what you want, your clueless, I've backed up the evidence with the White case, unless you can come up with a case of the same nature were the defendant won.
 
The state provides the contracts, the legal system, the protection of law enforcement, the currency, the roads, the protection of profits once required, the enforcement of the terms of the contract. It provides the infrastructure that allows the making of the items in the first place, their shipment, the markets in which to sell them, and on, and on, and on... Now, you're partially correct in that trade is possible in pre-state societies but it is a weak and feeble thing compared to that is possible in state societies.

The problem is, the state doesn't allow the choice, so taxation can't be considered a cost of doing business, or of obtaining those protections. The nature of taxation is such that it is due regardless of consent, and regardless of whether the intervention of the state is positive or negative on the transaction.

Which brings me back to the point that because of that coercive nature, it has to be subject to the same oversight, and the same rules as other coercive state interventions, and that is what doesn't currently happen
 
This entirely reduces down to you admitting that it is your personal dislike of the current tax laws and not some inherent difference about tax to murder or selling babies.

Yes you have your personal preferences, just as many have a personal preference of not continually reducing the contributions required of those handling the largest sums of money.

No, it really doesn't. Taxation should not be arbitrary, it should not be unequal, just like imprisonment should not be, or right to worship, or freedom from discrimination.

I no more advocate taking a greater percentage of someone's income because they have more property, than I do because they are Christian, white or homosexual (continue inserting protected characteristics of your choide) I don't believe in arbitrary discrimination.

That you dont think property rights are a human right that deserves protection should be treated with the same contempt as thinking it is OK to jail people for their sexuality.
 
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