Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

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Quite possibly. I was just trying to point out that he's not actually a terrorist sympathiser, no more so than anyone else involved in the peace talks.

and you're not able to do so as he quite clearly is a terrorist sympathiser

he'll happily condemn Trump bombing Syria directly - you won't get any deflection there from him along the lines of: 'I condemn all bombing'
 
Oh here we go. Does Thatcher and Pinochet ring a bell? How about our arms sales to Saudi?
I'd take Corbyn over May any day of the week.
Are you getting worried dowie after Mays latest 'OMGZ 6 seats of Corbyn gets in!!' tweet

People with ties to countries or organisations considered to pose a threat to the security of the UK are always investigated by the security services.
 
no you don't and there is nothing to indicate that he even considered them 'the enemy' - Mo was able to negotiate with the IRA/Sinn Fein
Yes you do - in some circumstances. Is there anything to indicate he considered them allies?
Let's not play our own version of word hockey. You know fine well what I meant by the term 'sleeping with the enemy' - having to do something you wouldn't ordinarily do in order to achieve a certain goal.
I'm glad he attended rallies etc, I'm glad he and many others went outside of their comfort zone. I remember the troubles, the no go areas if you were a Catholic, the no go areas if you were a Protestant. The utter ***** hole Northern Ireland was, granted there's still problems but it is getting better thanks to the actions of those prepared to do what was necessary.

Trying to use those actions against them now is pretty crappy to be honest.
 
You're not voting for him, you're voting for your local MP.
But ultimately he will be the man leading the country should Labour win which the chances of will be increased should my local Labour mp win. Try looking at the larger picture.
 
''Responding to the Telegraph's claims, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "MI5 kept files on many peace and Labour movement campaigners at the time, including anti-Apartheid activists and trade unionists.

"Jeremy campaigned for peace in Northern Ireland. To do so, he campaigned for the rights of all to be respected and spoke to people on all sides of the conflict.

"Jeremy campaigned for fair trials and against miscarriages of justice, after a series of well-publicised cases, such as the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six."
 
Yes you do - in some circumstances. Is there anything to indicate he considered them allies?

yes - his open support of them for a start - both for their cause and in support of their terrorists when they'd been arrested

Let's not play our own version of word hockey. You know fine well what I meant by the term 'sleeping with the enemy' - having to do something you wouldn't ordinarily do in order to achieve a certain goal.
I'm glad he attended rallies etc, I'm glad he and many others went outside of their comfort zone. I remember the troubles, the no go areas if you were a Catholic, the no go areas if you were a Protestant. The utter ***** hole Northern Ireland was, granted there's still problems but it is getting better thanks to the actions of those prepared to do what was necessary.

Trying to use those actions against them now is pretty crappy to be honest.

You're completely missing the point - this had nothing to do with negotiating with the enemy and it is utterly disingenuous to paint it that way. Corbyn was an outright sympathiser
 
''Responding to the Telegraph's claims, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "MI5 kept files on many peace and Labour movement campaigners at the time, including anti-Apartheid activists and trade unionists.

"Jeremy campaigned for peace in Northern Ireland. To do so, he campaigned for the rights of all to be respected and spoke to people on all sides of the conflict.

"Jeremy campaigned for fair trials and against miscarriages of justice, after a series of well-publicised cases, such as the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six."

There is a risk as PM he would still be trying to reach a settlement in a situation where its obvious the needs of the country is swift and decisive action.

It is to me interesting - though a gross simplification of events - that the Swiss who are generally considered neutral/peaceful, etc. in WW2 - read the signs and in 3 days mobilised 600,000+ troops and had quietly been preparing defensively for some time before the outbreak of war - while the other nations like the UK and France dilly dallied, tried to make settlements while largely sticking their heads in the sand as to the potential for war. (Though a simplification as a point as they went on to play both sides making aircraft parts, etc. for the Germans while providing logistics for Allied intelligence, etc. and so on).
 
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There is a risk as PM he would still be trying to reach a settlement in a situation where its obvious the needs of the country is swift and decisive action.
I doubt we'll ever know. I don't see him as a great PM, in the same way I don't see May as a great PM, but I think May will do more damage.I see them both as disposable placeholders until someone better comes along.
 
I doubt we'll ever know. I don't see him as a great PM, in the same way I don't see May as a great PM, but I think May will do more damage.I see them both as disposable placeholders until someone better comes along.

I think they will do equal damage if left with a free hand IMO just in different ways. Saddens me a bit as I think Corbyn could be a real force for change in politics if he broadened/matured his perspective somewhat.
 
I think they will do equal damage if left with a free hand IMO just in different ways. Saddens me a bit as I think Corbyn could be a real force for change in politics if he broadened/matured his perspective somewhat.
Problem he's got is he's already tainted goods with no real prospect of overcoming his past.
 
You're completely missing the point - this had nothing to do with negotiating with the enemy and it is utterly disingenuous to paint it that way. Corbyn was an outright sympathiser

I think it may be you that's missing my point. Sometimes when trying to make peace with an enemy you need to embrace them but I'm not going to keep rewording that for you as you're just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. Perhaps he did have some sympathy for them, as like it or not whether they were terrorists/bombers they also were people who felt they were being terrorised by state forces.
 
I think it may be you that's missing my point. Sometimes when trying to make peace with an enemy you need to embrace them but I'm not going to keep rewording that for you as you're just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. Perhaps he did have some sympathy for them, as like it or not whether they were terrorists/bombers they also were people who felt they were being terrorised by state forces.

I'm not ignoring it - I've replied to it a couple of times already - you're missing the point that they're not necessarily the enemy to him, he shared their goal of a united Ireland (which alone isn't necessarily bad) and he's done nothing other than show sympathy towards their members who've committed murders in the UK and Ireland.

It is utterly disingenuous to paint this as him making peace with an enemy when he's been on side with them from the start.
 
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I actually a fair amount of Labour's manifesto, they have a really interesting economic vision for this country. However the contempt Corbyn, McDonnell and Diane Abbot in particular have displayed for this country and the people who serve it in the past mean that I just cannot trust them enough to vote for them.
 
I actually a fair amount of Labour's manifesto, they have a really interesting economic vision for this country. However the contempt Corbyn, McDonnell and Diane Abbot in particular have displayed for this country and the people who serve it in the past mean that I just cannot trust them enough to vote for them.
Echos my views. I can't understand how Abbot still has any shred of power. She's an absolute and utter disgrace. Vile to boot.
 
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