I think you'll find that Brexit will do more towards creating a united Ireland...
Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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I think you'll find that Brexit will do more towards creating a united Ireland...
To be fair us voting for Brexit brought that day closer. They won't stand for a hard border and more people will probably prefer a united ireland than that.
That's the funniest thing I've seen today (and there were some pretty strong unintentional candidates in this thread already).
What a desperate grasping comparison made by those trying to deflect from Corbyn and his ilk's past murky past and there real views and objectives..... (I'm not having a go at Tunney for just posting the reference only those that would rely on it for comparison directly to the actions of Labor)
There's nothing inherently wrong with 'strong and stable' just like there nothing wrong with getting 'the trains to run on time' like the fascists allegedly did (but probably didn't manage in reality)
Also the Nazi's had a highly successful policy of having high employment does this mean a similar policy in the UK would be akin to Nazism?
Its not remotely the same...... comparing such a generic (and hard to argue against in principle) slogan to reading from the playbook of a mass murdering psychopath!
Now if Teresa has decided to make her election slogan 'work sets you free' then there may be some legitimate challenge!
The modern labour chancellor on the other hand can't quite admit his true beliefs on a TV show when questioned despite being on record as being in favour of a failed ideology to the 'true' party faithful!
If labour wins this man who doesn't believe in a system with 'greed' and 'profit' will be in charge of economic policy! (side note those who think they are not 'greedy' please consider that nearly half of the worlds population survives on less that $2.50 a day.... so I hope your ready to line up to have your wealth 'redistributed') 'Greed' and 'profit' drive the economy...sure there needs to be regulation to make sure that as far as possible the profit is linked to effort and skill (something our current system isn't always great at) but Marxism isn't the answer!
'I'm honest with people I'm a Marxist'
'This system based on greed and profit does not work'
- Q: 'Are you a Marxist?' A: 'No'
Lets not forget one of Dianne Abbot's classics in talking about the quotation of Mao....
'I suppose some people will judge on balance Mao did more good than harm'
Seems she thinks that the 'aims justified the means' even if it leaves 10's of millions dead!
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They're having to try and put a lot of spin on their past... their IRA support is now being reframed as some forward thinking way of establishing dialogue, the wannabe Chancellor's marxist views are now only 'socialist' in the 'tradition of the labour party'. 
That Fallon interview is a work of art. Shows how easy it is to show up a politician who has been put infront of a camera with 1 sole purpose regardless of the line of questioning.
He was even given an out and ranted over the top of it.
Just under 2 weeks to go and not one of them looks comfortable live on camera defending or attacking.....disaster
He was even given an out and ranted over the top of it.
Just under 2 weeks to go and not one of them looks comfortable live on camera defending or attacking.....disaster
just listened to i think Peter Whittle ukip on 5 live it was embarrassing when asked about the point based immigration system they want and how it would work he was clutching at straws, no idea on figures on how much scrapping vat on fish and chips of all things would cost he said would come back with a figure later but he had not forgotten 
I think you're overstating the power of the Labour leadership team to be honest. They've already had to make considerable compromises to draft a manifesto that the party deems acceptable. Corbyn has even had to soften his stance on Trident after realising that he doesn't have the numbers to get his own way.
Looking at how challenging passing legislation was for Cameron and Osborne at times, I find it hard to believe that Marxism is even possible in the UK without the reselection of hundreds of MPs.
I was expressing a general concern. Re: powers - we're talking about a potential PM, chancellor and Home Secretary - while their hard left views perhaps don't matter as much re: legislation they've got significant power and influence over the day to day running of government.
But what are you concerned they will do with that influence?
That's quite wide ranging - like I said it was a general concern and the answer is lots of things - essentially that it will shape their day to day decisions while in those positions.
If we want to pick one specific concern you'll have a Home Secretary who has previously stated to a republican magazine, at the height of the IRA troubles "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" in charge of our Police and Security Service. There are still dissident Republicans active in Northern Ireland, the role of monitoring them is no longer with the Army but belongs to the Security Service, as part of this role they will need approval/signing of warrants for certain surveillance activities directly from the Home Secretary.
Now that is just one narrow one given for the sake of argument as I'm being pushed for specifics, obviously there is more to that one role day to day and my concerns are not limited to that...
This is the problem with delving into specifics as we're potentially now going to go into loads of hypotheticals - she's able to shape policy, she's legitimately able to turn down warrants - I didn't claim that she'd do so for all or necessarily be destructive to the point where Parliament would start intervening so I'm not sure what exactly is unrealistic.
Again - their views can and will affect their day to day decisions made as part of their roles in government that is of concern in general. Unless you're of the opinion that the mentioned roles - PM, Chancellor and Home Secretary have no power and are completely constrained then I'm not sure there is much point in even going into specifics. No I don't think they're unconstrained either - she's not going to realistically be able to say shut down all surveillance by the security service on a whim for example. (though it is somewhat ironic that she's previously campaigned for us to get rid of the security service)
Again - their views can and will affect their day to day decisions made as part of their roles in government that is of concern in general. Unless you're of the opinion that the mentioned roles - PM, Chancellor and Home Secretary have no power and are completely constrained then I'm not sure there is much point in even going into specifics. No I don't think they're unconstrained either - she's not going to realistically be able to say shut down all surveillance by the security service on a whim for example. (though it is somewhat ironic that she's previously campaigned for us to get rid of the security service)
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I don't think anyone is going to take away powers from the PM or Home Secretary simply because they don't like their politics/sympathies
given we're still talking hypotheticals then for my previously mentioned concerns lets assume 'a reasonable margin'
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