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No the London based media seems to continually peddle this and of course Ruth Davidson.
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No the London based media seems to continually peddle this and of course Ruth Davidson.
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They've formally requested a referendum!!
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This was due to Brexit when people were told that only being in the UK could guarantee being in the EU.
And May has formally requested a GE!!
Yea, because thats the only reason anyone voted No...
This is the first general election that I feel I really don't give a **** about. I normally want to back someone, if only to keep another party out - but this time it's an awful choice.
I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but it will most likely be another tactical vote, given my area.
- May has called an election to strengthen her position. In what way - in Brexit negotiations? In Tory majority in the commons? Either way, I don't agree with their "hard" stance on Brexit, and I don't believe in May - I know several people who have worked in gov departments who are livid with her u-turns and idiotic decision making.
- Corbyn is attacking the elites and those not willing to share wealth, but there's no clear definition of what this means - I know both Tory and Labour voters who are both rich and charity giving. There is no clear distinction as he makes out there is. It's an utterly weak agenda standpoint.
- Lib Dems were wrecked at the last election. Their stance on changing EU terms and listening to the people on the terms of Brexit sounds like utter nonsense. If we're going to quit, get intelligent negotiators on it - not hold another flipping referendum.
I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but it will most likely be another tactical vote, given my area.
It's just about the biggest lie they were told.
It wasn't a lie - nobody knew the UK would vote to leave the EU just 2 years later at the time.
How was it a lie?
Leaving the UK meant leaving the EU, that was made explicitly clear by the eu on multiple occasions.
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They were never a party of the left.
They are a centralist party, between both labour and Conservatives usually.
Isn't about time those old notions of left and right were thrown out of the window. To my mind they have no place in modern politics. I think a few months ago someone posted a test in the GD and showed that people can widely swing from one-side to the other depending on the issue at hand, there's not necessarily a stable theme across all issues.
Surely the policy that best solves a particular problem is the one that should be used to solve that problem whether that be a traditional leftist or rightist policy. The next problem or issue might require a policy that's at the other end of the spectrum. If a party is pigeonholed as being left or right then their hands are going to be tied somewhat when it comes to selecting the best conceivable policy at the time to fix the issue at hand.
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Which was almost entirely the governments fault. EU is just a scapegoat for thickos.
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not really the lib dems are for those that can't decide and want everyone to be happy, how can you deny those people their vote?
And still is. Where in my post do I say it wasn't?
I get the impression you had a post lined up if I answered, and didn't actually read what was in my post.
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Just to clarify, you'd be fine with Brexit winning as the 3 Brexit votes represent more than Remain?
Indeed. I expressed my dismay at the prospect of a rampant unchained far right Conservative government earlier in the thread. I subsequently had a go at doing the survey referenced a few pages back and to my surprise, came out as Ulster Unionist on top (not much use in Swindon
) followed by Tory at 60%.I'm sure like others my views fall across a broad spectrum - I wouldn't bat an eyelid if the government of the day re-introduced hanging for murderers and paedo's, or put a complete block on non skilled immigration and foreign aid. Equally I'm adamant the rights of workers should be upheld which includes union membership, the protections currently enjoyed under EU law and no messing with my pension which I've paid into and worked blighty hard towards for nearly 40 years.
You can make a similar argument re: remain. Some remain supporters will be in favour of ever closer union, other remain supporters would want to stop any further integration, some who might like the status quo might rather soft Brexit/EEA over moves towards federalisation and some might want to 'change the EU from within'. There are any number of different outcomes that could change the views of people on either side of the vote.
Not around here they won't. I don't know any Tory voters, but almost everyone I know voted for Brexit. My brother, parents, collegues and friends. Many 10s of people.
Doesnt this just show that each time Labour have been kicked out they have left the next party with a deficit problem. You do understand deficit and debt and the state it was left in on Election day +1. Its the equivilent of me running up a nice credit card bill and giving it to you to pay off whilst yelling at you for having so much debt. From the same site I give you this one in return and the clue is that the new gov in 2010 didnt create that spike
Doesnt this just show that each time Labour have been kicked out they have left the next party with a deficit problem. You do understand deficit and debt and the state it was left in on Election day +1. Its the equivilent of me running up a nice credit card bill and giving it to you to pay off whilst yelling at you for having so much debt. From the same site I give you this one in return and the clue is that the new gov in 2010 didnt create that spike
Huge decrease in tax income, increased unemployment, vat cut, bank bail outs, slower housing market etc etc
But yeah lets still blame Labour for the subprime mess.
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