I'm against tuition fees but I also know quite a few people who didn't have to pay then went on to work in jobs/careers that didn't even need any sort of qualification (e.g. working in a B&Q store). That's essentially tax payers money wasted on people who simply went to university for the sake of it.
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I'm against tuition fees but I also know quite a few people who didn't have to pay then went on to work in jobs/careers that didn't even need any sort of qualification (e.g. working in a B&Q store). That's essentially tax payers money wasted on people who simply went to university for the sake of it.
Hmm I don't know - I think everyone should be afforded to study whatever they find interesting regardless of the career prospects... assuming there is some academic value in it and it's not completely pointless. I think that's a slightly different point than the one you were making though. And I suppose those with degrees and working in B&Q are, probably going to have the useless ones.
So this guy is writing the labour manifesto...
The man behind Jeremy Corbyn's election manifesto: Bring in three-day weeks and nationalise all banks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AntGHYgHvHlV
The man behind Jeremy Corbyn's election manifesto: Bring in three-day weeks and nationalise all banks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AntGHYgHvHlV
I agree that everyone should be given the opportunity to study what they find interesting or have a passion for - and these things may not necessarily lead to a relevant career - but at the same time, there has to be a better way of encouraging academic minded people into further study, and those genuinely less inclined into other opportunities. Just because it's free (or was free) shouldn't be the reason.
I really wish we dealt with politics on merit for once, rather than this eternal mud-slinging competition. "Look what he said years ago" 'Yeah, well look what SHE said before that' "HA! But HE SAID THIS LOL!"
It's depressing that it genuinely seems to too much to hope for that political parties might actually focus on the positive things they would like to do, rather than just attacking their opponents. It's no wonder so many are disengaged with politics - it has very little to do with anything beyond point scoring bickering most of the time.
Complex, ripe for political backlash, would require a high tax rate that may be seen as a disincentive to work among low earners.
I like the idea, but I think it's a hard sell. Pay everyone £8k, stick tax at 45%, someone on £18k/year will be a few hundred pounds a year better off. But I guarantee many of those people will find negatives in the equation, like the fact that working pays less than it did before (roughly £4.75/hr after tax instead of £7.45).
It'll be a brave politician that actually tries selling it.
Hence why I think it would be unlikely unless it came as a result of a court judgment mandating the consistent application of property rights in the same way as the rest of the rights in the universal declaration of human rights are.
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Normally you would be correct but in this country with its low wage assembly working or services there is no need for a large number of graduates. All that has happened is that companies now ask for a degree were before they would have asked for GCSE or A levels. The loser is the graduate as they get a huge debt to pay.
It's a win-win for me i've decided if the tory's do win an overwhelming majority, all those glorious tory-low/middle income folk are going to feel rightly embarrassed when their diving into bins to feed themselves the next decade.
/chuckles at the exaggeration.
/chuckles at the exaggeration.
Totally agree. It's all childish point scoring, tories are very bad for it during pmq's when questioned. Always ends with 'the person talks about blah blah blah, but it was the Labour Party that blah blah blah' that's Cameron and May every damn question.
I go for voting record to determine who is good and bad. Teresa May voted for fox hunting and against gay/human rights, that alone shows what scum she is.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes
- Voted a mixture of for and against equal gay rights
- Generally voted against smoking bans
- Almost always voted against the hunting ban
- Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Jeremy Corbyn voting record
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north
He votes against the blairites, but they always vote against what is best like Iraq war investigation etc
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north
- Consistently voted for equal gay rights
- Consistently voted for smoking bans
- Consistently voted for the hunting ban
- Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Generally voted for laws to promote equality and human rights
- Generally voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
He votes against the blairites, but they always vote against what is best like Iraq war investigation etc
- Jeremy Corbyn consistently voted against introducing foundation hospitals, while most Labour MPs generally voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn almost always voted against Labour's anti-terrorism laws, while most Labour MPs generally voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn consistently voted against the Iraq war, while most Labour MPs generally voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted for investigations into the Iraq war, while most Labour MPs almost always voted against.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted against introducing ID cards, while most Labour MPs almost always voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted against allowing ministers to intervene in inquests, while most Labour MPs almost always voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted against requiring the mass retention of information about communications, while most Labour MPs generally voted for.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted for a transparent Parliament, while most Labour MPs generally voted against.
- Jeremy Corbyn generally voted against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system, while most Labour MPs generally voted for.
It's hardly just the tories that do it, they're all equally bad for it IMO, nobody gives straight answers and they all seek out opportunity to deride their opponent sooner than answer a question.
How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Social Issues
How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Foreign Policy and Defence
How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Home Affairs
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How Theresa May voted on Social Issues
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes
- Consistently voted for equal gay rights
- Consistently voted for smoking bans
- Consistently voted for the hunting ban
- Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Generally voted for laws to promote equality and human rights
- Generally voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Foreign Policy and Defence
- Consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
- Consistently voted against the Iraq war
- Generally voted for investigations into the Iraq war
- Generally voted against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
- Voted a mixture of for and against more EU integration
- Generally voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
- Generally voted for strengthening the Military Covenant
- Generally voted for a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
- Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
- Consistently voted against military action against
- Consistently voted against reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")
- Consistently voted for raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
- Consistently voted for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Consistently voted against making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
- Consistently voted against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
- Almost always voted for spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
- Almost always voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax
- Almost always voted against increasing the rate of VAT
- Generally voted against higher taxes on alcoholic drinks
- Generally voted against higher taxes on plane tickets
- Generally voted against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Generally voted for increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
- Generally voted against encouraging occupational pensions
- Voted a mixture of for and against automatic enrolment in occupational pensions
- Almost always voted for a banker’s bonus tax
- Generally voted against higher taxes on banks
- Almost always voted for an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax)
- Almost always voted against allowing employees to exchange some employment rights for shares in the company they work for
- Consistently voted against more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
- Consistently voted against reducing capital gains tax
- Almost always voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax
- Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance
- Voted a mixture of for and against stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets
- Voted a mixture of for and against new high speed rail infrastructure
- Consistently voted for restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS
- Consistently voted against reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
- Consistently voted against introducing foundation hospitals
- Consistently voted for smoking bans
- Generally voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
- Consistently voted against greater autonomy for schools
- Consistently voted against raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
- Consistently voted against
- Consistently voted against ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
- Consistently voted against university tuition fees
- Consistently voted against reducing central government funding of local government
- Generally voted against an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency
- Consistently voted against fewer MPs in the House of Commons
- Generally voted for a transparent Parliament
- Voted a mixture of for and against a more
- Generally voted for a wholly elected House of Lords
- Consistently voted against local councils keeping money raised from taxes on business premises in their areas
- Consistently voted against greater restrictions on campaigning by third parties, such as charities, during elections
- Voted a mixture of for and against fixed periods between parliamentary elections
- Consistently voted for removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords
- Voted a mixture of for and against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly
- Voted a mixture of for and against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament
- Generally voted for more powers for local councils
- Consistently voted against a veto for MPs from England, Wales and Northern Ireland over laws specifically impacting their part of the UK
- Generally voted for a lower voting age
How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Home Affairs
- Generally voted against a stricter asylum system
- Generally voted against allowing ministers to intervene in inquests
- Generally voted against introducing ID cards
- Almost always voted against the introduction of elected Police and Crime Commissioners
- Generally voted against requiring the mass retention of information about communications
- Generally voted against stronger enforcement of immigration rules
- Has never voted on mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
- Consistently voted against merging police and fire services under Police and Crime Commissioners
- Generally voted for measures to prevent climate change
- Generally voted against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Consistently voted against selling England’s state owned forests
- Generally voted against higher taxes on plane tickets
- Generally voted for financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods
- Consistently voted against culling badgers to tackle bovine tuberculosis
- Voted a mixture of for and against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas
- Voted a mixture of for and against new high speed rail infrastructure
- Consistently voted for greater public control of bus services
- Consistently voted for slowing the rise in rail fares
- Generally voted against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Generally voted against higher taxes on plane tickets
- Consistently voted for a publicly owned railway system
- Almost always voted against phasing out secure tenancies for life
- Consistently voted against charging a market rent to high earners renting a council home
- Generally voted for greater regulation of gambling
- Consistently voted against capping civil service redundancy payments
- Almost always voted against Labour's anti-terrorism laws
- Consistently voted against the privatisation of Royal Mail
- Almost always voted for requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases
- Almost always voted against restricting the scope of legal aid
- Consistently voted against allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions
- Generally voted against a statutory register of lobbyists
- Almost always voted against limits on success fees paid to lawyers in no-win no fee cases
- Consistently voted for restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents
- Generally voted against the policies included in the 2010 Conservative / Liberal Democrat Coalition Agreement
- Consistently voted for the Iraq war
- Almost always voted for investigations into the Iraq war
- Almost always voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
- Generally voted against more EU integration
- Generally voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
- Almost always voted against strengthening the Military Covenant
- Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
- Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
- Consistently voted for military action against ISIL
VS
How Theresa May voted on Social Issues
- Voted a mixture of for and against equal gay rights
- Generally voted against smoking bans
- Almost always voted against the hunting ban
- Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
- Generally voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
- Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
- Consistently voted for the Iraq war
- Almost always voted for investigations into the Iraq war
- Almost always voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
- Generally voted against more EU integration
- Generally voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
- Almost always voted against strengthening the Military Covenant
- Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
- Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
- Consistently voted for military action against ISIL
- Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")
- Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
- Generally voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Generally voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
- Generally voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
- Generally voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
- Generally voted for raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax
- Generally voted for increasing the rate of VAT
- Generally voted for higher taxes on alcoholic drinks
- Generally voted for higher taxes on plane tickets
- Generally voted for lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Generally voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
- Voted a mixture of for and against encouraging occupational pensions
- Generally voted against automatic enrolment in occupational pensions
- Generally voted against a banker’s bonus tax
- Voted a mixture of for and against higher taxes on banks
- Almost always voted against an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax)
- Generally voted for allowing employees to exchange some employment rights for shares in the company they work for
- Almost always voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
- Generally voted for reducing capital gains tax
- Generally voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax
- Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance
- Voted a mixture of for and against stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets
- Generally voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
- Generally voted against restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS
- Generally voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
- Generally voted against introducing foundation hospitals
- Generally voted against smoking bans
- Generally voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
- Almost always voted for greater autonomy for schools
- Consistently voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
- Almost always voted for
- Has never voted on ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
- Generally voted against university tuition fees
- Generally voted for reducing central government funding of local government
- Almost always voted for an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency
- Generally voted for fewer MPs in the House of Commons
- Voted a mixture of for and against a transparent Parliament
- Generally voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs
- Generally voted for a wholly elected House of Lords
- Generally voted for local councils keeping money raised from taxes on business premises in their areas
- Generally voted for greater restrictions on campaigning by third parties, such as charities, during elections
- Almost always voted for fixed periods between parliamentary elections
- Voted a mixture of for and against removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords
- Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly
- Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament
- Voted a mixture of for and against more powers for local councils
- Consistently voted for a veto for MPs from England, Wales and Northern Ireland over laws specifically impacting their part of the UK
- Generally voted against a lower voting age
- Generally voted for a stricter asylum system
- Consistently voted against allowing ministers to intervene in inquests
- Generally voted against introducing ID cards
- Consistently voted for the introduction of elected Police and Crime Commissioners
- Generally voted for requiring the mass retention of information about communications
- Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules
- Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
- Consistently voted for merging police and fire services under Police and Crime Commissioners
- Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
- Generally voted for lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Consistently voted for selling England’s state owned forests
- Generally voted for higher taxes on plane tickets
- Has never voted on financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods
- Generally voted for culling badgers to tackle bovine tuberculosis
- Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas
- Generally voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
- Has never voted on greater public control of bus services
- Generally voted against slowing the rise in rail fares
- Generally voted for lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
- Generally voted for higher taxes on plane tickets
- Generally voted against a publicly owned railway system
- Voted a mixture of for and against greater regulation of gambling
- Generally voted for capping civil service redundancy payments
- Generally voted against Labour's anti-terrorism laws
- Generally voted for the privatisation of Royal Mail
- Generally voted against requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases
- Generally voted for restricting the scope of legal aid
- Almost always voted for allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions
- Generally voted for a statutory register of lobbyists
- Generally voted for limits on success fees paid to lawyers in no-win no fee cases
- Generally voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents
- Generally voted for the policies included in the 2010 Conservative - Liberal Democrat Coalition Agreement
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes
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You can't trust any politician.
Corbyn can't even be trusted to keep the same shadow cabinet for 8 weeks, let alone an actual cabinet, or actual governing.
Corbyn can't even be trusted to keep the same shadow cabinet for 8 weeks, let alone an actual cabinet, or actual governing.
May gave Boris Foreign Secretary.
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