Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?

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Greebo said:
So you are basically saying having children blown up every few years is a price worth paying to keep getting oil?
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commodities industry is a mucky business... unless you're actively boycotting it yourself, avoiding driving where possible, fitting solar panels etc.. you're contributing to it

Just look at the uproar we have periodically when petrol goes up. Sadly in order to get access to commodities we have to deal with nasty people - if we want to change that then we as a society need to collectively change.
 
dowie said:
no, I'm pointing out that it doesn't provide evidence for any link - what difference does it matter if someone is being investigated or now charged?

If you're going to propose that this is/was the reason for calling the election then you ought to provide something to support that otherwise it is pretty weak speculation/conspiracy

pointing out a story that someone who was previously investigated has now been charged doesn't add anything
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I'd look directly into the brain of the lady who called the elections but unfortunately it appears to be in an s3 state for the last 6 months.

Clearly the reason we were given is that 5 minutes after enacting Article 50 the PM suddenly felt the desire to ask the electorate for a mandate to undertake brexit.
Alternatively, as MP's are now being charged with fraud and the number under investigation was greater than the slim majority that gifted her the power to put article 50 to parliament perhaps we can use Occam's razor without being called a conspiracy theorist?
 
stewski said:
I'd look directly into the brain of the lady who called the elections but unfortunately it appears to be in an s3 state for the last 6 months.

Clearly the reason we were given is that 5 minutes after enacting Article 50 the PM suddenly felt the desire to ask the electorate for a mandate to undertake brexit.
Alternatively, as MP's are now being charged with fraud and the number under investigation was greater than the slim majority that gifted her the power to put article 50 to parliament perhaps we can use Occam's razor without being called a conspiracy theorist?
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not really - and you're hardly using Occam's razor there... there are simpler explanations, such as the one she actually gave - wanting to increase her majority before Brexit negotiations

evidence doesn't have to consist of looking into May's brain either... fact is you have none and you're just speculating about a conspiracy with no evidence for it, if you've got nothing further to add other than a handwaving argument then I'm not interested
 
dowie said:
commodities industry is a mucky business... unless you're actively boycotting it yourself, avoiding driving where possible, fitting solar panels etc.. you're contributing to it
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If people want to boycott the oil industry then they'd need to give up much more than driving and electricity. People have no idea just how much our lifestyle depends on oil. A boycott is practically impossible.
 
dowie said:
not really - and you're hardly using Occam's razor there... there are simpler explanations, such as the one she actually gave - wanting to increase her majority before Brexit negotiations

evidence doesn't have to consist of looking into May's brain either... fact is you have none and you're just speculating about a conspiracy with no evidence for it, if you've got nothing further to add other than a handwaving argument then I'm not interested
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Out of interest, what would constitute evidence of the reasons for a politicians actions, simply the words they say, like helping the just about managing or protecting the NHS?

No doubt you also have evidence that investing in public services ala labour will definitively result in an economy in greater debt than the austerity measures proposed by conservatives (despite the historical precedent of government spending after WWII)?
 
String said:
If people want to boycott the oil industry then they'd need to give up much more than driving and electricity. People have no idea just how much our lifestyle depends on oil. A boycott is practically impossible.
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indeed - thus I said 'avoid driving where possible', I'm not claiming you can avoid oil completely but we can substantially reduce our dependence on oil, gas etc..
 
stewski said:
Out of interest, what would constitute evidence of the reasons for a politicians actions, simply the words they say, like helping the just about managing or protecting the NHS?

No doubt you also have evidence that investing in public services ala labour will definitively result in an economy in greater debt than the austerity measures proposed by conservatives (despite the historical precedent of government spending after WWII)?
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Well some evidence for your conspiracy - you can't cite an event happening then attribute some link to another seemingly unrelated event without evidence to make that link, at the moment you have none - thus it is empty speculation. If someone leaked a memo/e-mail or a discussion to support your claim then that would be different - unfortunately your conspiracy has started from the position of speculation rather than being based on anything.

Ref labour that is rather a different topic unrelated to your conspiracy - the IFS has found gaps in their spending plans and frankly things like the Tobin tax they've presented have been tried elsewhere - for evidence of why that doesn't work you can look to Sweden's attempt to implement it. though when you're talking about what will happen in future no one can talk in defines overall so there is a bit of a false premise. Again this is all rather unrelated to the request for evidence in order to support your conspiracy and is deflecting somewhat
 
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