Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?


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I'm just guessing (going out on a limb) that you were not seriously considering voting Labour in any case?

If David Miliband, Chuka Umunna or Tristram Hunt were leader of the Labour party I'd seriously consider switching as May has gone downhill badly in my estimation. However, she would have to come around my house, strip naked, squat and curl one out on my coffee table before I thought she was madder than Corbyn.
 
I'm done - people arguing with a massive list of economists

People really are that ******* dumb as **** and only believe what they want to believe - again, only 2 tory voters exist - millionares and idiots/the misled - check your wallet to see who you are.

Also the worlds smartest man says vote Corbyn

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...al-election-a7774016.html?cmpid=facebook-post

If your still gonna argue then - bob help you, people argue emotionally - they feel attacked - so at all costs defend themselves - even if what they say is complete hogwash.

This forum / people / country isn't arguing facts - its arguing emotions - for one reason or another people are on either side of the argument.

Corbyn has only spoken complete sense since day 1 - what has happened is - its simply taken quite a while for his truth to sink into peoples minds............they consciously understand it, they emotionally take time to be won over to - truth and reality.

The conservative supporters who remain are either very rich or easily misled.

Because straw clutching is happening & the face palm comments.

The issue with this version of 'democracy' is, people really don't know what is good for them, and can't think rationally - maybe its a flawed system - because propaganda is massively manipulating people.

Saying that, the massive surge in the polls for corbyn shows people are waking up - the influence of the media is becoming less and less, people are starting to see through everything.

People are getting that the government is not our friend, it is not our protector, is our slave driver.

Queue petty emotional responses.

The fence sitting is laughable - the same thing is happening with global warming - its real, some choose to think otherwise.

What Corbyn et al is saying is real, most choose to make up counter arguments based on drivel.

We need to stop this as a human race - choose paths forward based on indeed experts, understand that its not always right, but always the most logical action.........this giant mess were in now is due to a population that is dumbed down given a voice - brexit shouldnt have been left to the people, it should have been left to the experts.

Yes a dull boring 'obvious' choice is usually the right one.

People who think otherwise can say what they want - but we need to start living in the real world, not some stupid alternate universe where money creates false worlds in favour of the rich - and 28.9% of this forum who are scared to think otherwise or stand up to the rich or have swallowed drivel whole need to wake up.

Debate is fine - making real choices as a result of debate is dangerous - experts should make decisions & not bob down the road, 'democracy' as its called isn't 'democracy' - neither is 1st past the post rubbish either.

The whole thing is corrupt, and yes I am indeed saying some peoples expertise & rationale thought are more important than someone elses - just because people exist doesn't mean they are qualified to make rational choices - at the very least we need as a people to ban media brainwashing.

Uggh, what a state humanity is in.
 
Funny how you think everyone that disagrees with you is a Tory voter.

Corbyn is taking you for a fool - I hope one day you realise it.
 
Funny how you think everyone that disagrees with you is a Tory voter.

Corbyn is taking you for a fool - I hope one day you realise it.

Cracking example - just random words - but what ?! no meat no substance - nothing.

Corbyns the only one with a rational plan, has said it, costed it, and delivered it - the what and how is clear.

People still arguing with this are just arguing emotionally, exactly like that chap there.

"Corbyn is taking you for a fool - I hope one day you realise it."

Except says im gonna do xyz by doing this, and this is how the money works out.........hows that taking anyone for a fool lol
 
I'm done - people arguing with a massive list of economists

People really are that ******* dumb as **** and only believe what they want to believe - again, only 2 tory voters exist - millionares and idiots/the misled - check your wallet to see who you are.

Also the worlds smartest man says vote Corbyn

So you post a list and throw a hissy fit when people suggest your list might not be quite as persuasive as you thought and point this out....??

Then go on to insult them and go back to invoking your original, fallacious, argument from authority by asserting that you know whose the worlds 'smartest man' is (by what metric?) and that we should follow their advice!

And then your coup de grace is to suggest the 'other' people are the ones being 'emotional' and 'clutching at straws' when you resorted to ad hominem...
 
Cracking example - just random words - but what ?! no meat no substance - nothing.

Corbyns the only one with a rational plan, has said it, costed it, and delivered it - the what and how is clear.

People still arguing with this are just arguing emotionally, exactly like that chap there.

"Corbyn is taking you for a fool - I hope one day you realise it."

Except says im gonna do xyz by doing this, and this is how the money works out.........hows that taking anyone for a fool lol

He is saying exactly what you want to believe - I'm pretty sure if he was talking otherwise you'd see through him very quickly - no one who is as principled and honest as Corbyn is proclaimed to be spends as much time using carefully guarded words and as much effort avoiding a straight answer as he does.

Words are cheap ultimately and he is for the most part yet to be put to the test on a lot of what he says - the truth will out if it comes to it one way or another.
 
So you post a list and throw a hissy fit when people suggest your list might no be quite as persuasive as you thought and point this out....??

Then go on to insult them and go back to invoking your original, fallacious, argument from authority be asserting that you know whose the worlds smartest man (by what metric?)

And the your coup de grace is to suggest the 'other' people are the ones being 'emotional' and 'clutching at straws' when you resorted to ad hominem...

You would get frustrated as well when people are walking off a cliff because the daily fail told them too!

It's like im living in an episode of the outer limits - it really is - the fact people cannot either see blunt facts - argue blunt facts with emotionally set out responses - and then vote to do something that will harm them, its its.............there are no words, it really is a TV show or something - its utter disbelief that people really ARE that thick ?.........they can't be, surely ?
 
He is saying exactly what you want to believe - I'm pretty sure if he was talking otherwise you'd see through him very quickly - no one who is as principled and honest as Corbyn is proclaimed to be spends as much time using carefully guarded words and as much effort avoiding a straight answer as he does.

Words are cheap ultimately and he is for the most part yet to be put to the test on a lot of what he says - the truth will out if it comes to it one way or another.

Yet May is doing exactly the same, big'ing herself up as the Erdogan or Putin of Britain and the squalid love a good dictator.
 
He is saying exactly what you want to believe - I'm pretty sure if he was talking otherwise you'd see through him very quickly - no one who is as principled and honest as Corbyn is proclaimed to be spends as much time using carefully guarded words and as much effort avoiding a straight answer as he does.

Oh for gods sake - of course he is carefully choosing his words because men like you exist - a mis timed mis placed word (that has nothing to do with the entire thing he is discussing) and idiots would 'tear him apart' - i.e. they would take 2 words out of a sentence and try to frame it otherwise.

Anyway the media has spent months trying their best to destroy him and its not working because the muds not sticking, he really is that principled and honest.

In my life time he and Labour 2017 are the only true alternate choice that has ever come up - a genuine 'left' choice - a genuine choice that puts PEOPLE before money.

we have tried tory and tory-lite (blairs labour) for 17 years and they have ruined almost everything.

The thing is, this is just how it is, the truth, but people choose to see otherwise and its just.........mind blowing.
 
Well if Corbyn makes people fools, then May makes people suicidal.

Both belong to a school of politics it is long since time we got rid of in this country. It boggles my mind people are finally seeing through it with May yet still swayed by Corbyn.
 
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You would get frustrated as well when people are walking off a cliff because the daily fail told them too!

It's like im living in an episode of the outer limits - it really is - the fact people cannot either see blunt facts - argue blunt facts with emotionally set out responses - and then vote to do something that will harm them, its its.............there are no words, it really is a TV show or something - its utter disbelief that people really ARE that thick ?.........they can't be, surely ?

Its a provable, demonstrable fact that countries that employ Marxist policies fail and all to often end up with tyranny and starvation.....

Corbyn is a Marxist he put an 'ex' communist in the role of communication minster and an actual acknowledged Marxist in the role of shadow chancellor.

Much like you Corbyn looks to other people for guidance and thinks Marx was a 'great' economist!
 
Its a provable, demonstrable fact that countries that employ Marxist policies fail and all to often end up with tyranny and starvation.....

Corbyn is a Marxist he put an 'ex' communist in the role of communication minster and an actual acknowledged Marxist in the role of shadow chancellor.

Jesus wept lol - this here is exactly my point, how do you debate let alone explain the world to someone who comments that.

Apparently most nordic countries are doing wonderfully with what you term 'Marxist' approaches.

you sound like America 1960 - where 'the american dream' was rammed down everyones throats - pro capitalism etc etc...........look what its done to them

A fully funded NHS to care for everyone's health is the humane, human and damn right obvious thing to do - to argue otherwise is beyond comprehension.

And doing that is no where near 'extreme Marxism' - it just isn't its just the UK circa 1990 - hardly a mad ruined country was it! lol
 
Oh for gods sake - of course he is carefully choosing his words because men like you exist - a mis timed mis placed word (that has nothing to do with the entire thing he is discussing) and idiots would 'tear him apart' - i.e. they would take 2 words out of a sentence and try to frame it otherwise.

Wow LOL. Spend a bit of time looking at how guarded he is around topics where his previous views would not help is current position where he is oh so careful not to betray his formerly expressed position while at the same time avoiding it being used against him and alluding to the position people want to believe without actually putting it together in a complete statement even though it has the appearance of one. BS does any truly honest and principled person employ those tactics.
 
Jesus wept lol - this here is exactly my point, how do you debate let alone explain the world to someone who comments that.

Apparently most nordic countries are doing wonderfully with what you term 'Marxist' approaches.

you sound like America 1960 - where 'the american dream' was rammed down everyones throats - pro capitalism etc etc...........look what its done to them

A fully funded NHS to care for everyone's health is the humane, human and damn right obvious thing to do - to argue otherwise is beyond comprehension.

And doing that is no where near 'extreme Marxism' - it just isn't its just the UK circa 1990 - hardly a mad ruined country was it! lol

With their small, homogenous (not so much in certain parts thanks to the cultural Marxists) populations and at least in Norway's case massive oil reserves compared to population??

Yep totally applicable to the UK... and of course their not Marxist states anyway ...

I'm with you if you want socialised health care and core utilities with a paid job guarantee for those fit for work paid for by the government but I wont vote for either economic and/or cultural Marxism!

The shadow chancellor is a self confessed 'Marxist' and Labours communications lead is an 'ex' Communist.... put there by comrade Corbyn! Do you really need it to be spelled out?
 
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I really don't get humans - the wish to have universal safe and world class healthcare for the cost of what, a few £'s a year - and it gets shot down as if your a mad man - utter bonkers.

Only those that would benefit from private health care would say that.

Some people in the UK are apparently so so so so soo far right now that middle of the road basic ideas such as basic health care for all are declared crazy - this is the concern, far right capitalism is apparently the only thing that makes sense to some, what a damn shame - we as a society have messed up somewhere.

I feel it will be a generation to fix that - something catastrophic would likely have to happen sadly, before people wake up and realise they are human, just like every other human and we should all help each other, not walk over each other to 'reach the top'
 
Well this will screw with your mind then as I've long advocated the protection of the NHS from privatisation, advocated what is a more socialist view to housing and won't take much digging to see my views on May and the way cost of living and other aspects of capitalism has gone under the Tories ;) yet still I'm very against Labour.
 
I really don't get humans - the wish to have universal safe and world class healthcare for the cost of what, a few £'s a year - and it gets shot down as if your a mad man - utter bonkers.

Only those that would benefit from private health care would say that.

Some people in the UK are apparently so so so so soo far right now that middle of the road basic ideas such as basic health care for all are declared crazy - this is the concern, far right capitalism is apparently the only thing that makes sense to some, what a damn shame - we as a society have messed up somewhere.

I feel it will be a generation to fix that - something catastrophic would likely have to happen sadly, before people wake up and realise they are human, just like every other human and we should all help each other, not walk over each other to 'reach the top'

I'm with you on socialised health care.... but lets not fool ourselves that the cost is not a 'few' ££££ a year.... its currently £116.4bn (2016 figures) or around £1,800 for each of the 64.6 million people the NHS thinks are in the UK (and that's not just income tax payers that's children, the unemployed and the retired etc etc aswell.....)

In the fiscal year ending in 2016, total UK public spending, including central government and local authorities, was £761.9 billion.

So in 2016 NHS spending was around 15.28% of ALL government (national and local) spending....
 
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Another bad interview for a prospective Home Secretary. Didn't know about Harris Report contents to able to respond to questions.

"Lord Harris launches report on improving London’s terror preparedness" when asked on Sky News

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/871812244014862336

Lord Toby Harris has today launched his significant and wide-ranging independent report into what could be done to improve London’s resources and readiness to respond to a major terrorist incident.

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, appointed Lord Toby Harris of Haringey to undertake this independent London-wide strategic review in his first weeks in office, following the terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, which were followed by an attack in Nice.

Just last week, the Metropolitan Police, British Transport Police and emergency services expertly dealt with a potential threat on a tube train at North Greenwich, a stark reminder that the threat level in London remains at severe which means an attack is highly likely.

The Lord Harris review commends London’s emergency services for their improved major incident readiness, with responses now substantially faster and more effective than five years ago. The quality and effectiveness of the work done by the intelligence agencies and the counter-terrorist police here is, he says, amongst the best in the world.

Lord Harris goes on to make 127 recommendations for the Mayor, the Government and other agencies to consider, including:

  • The Metropolitan Police to further explore the use of temporary barriers to protect against a Nice style attack in London.
  • A London-wide pilot of a new public alert technology – so Londoners can be advised of a major terrorist attack with messages sent direct to mobile devices.
  • CCTV to be installed on all underground and mainline trains and more easily accessible to emergency services in an emergency.
  • COBR protocol to be changed so that the Mayor always attends meetings that affect London – with greater clarity around the role of the Mayor in a major incident.
  • Consideration to be given to the introduction of a new MOPAC adviser on counter-terrorism, and Mayoral Adviser for Resilience.
  • The Home Office to fully fund the National and International Capital Cities Grant (NICC), which currently costs the Metropolitan Police approximately £340 million a year.
  • Security measure on the river Thames to be strengthened.
  • The police and security services should work with businesses, local authorities and others to provide better information on how to prevent a terrorist attack, and what to do if the worst happens.
  • The Department of Health should provide extra resources to the London Ambulance Service in recognition of the additional demands placed on them as the provider of services in the capital.
Lord Toby Harris says he would not at present recommend any further increase in the number of armed officers beyond the current planned uplift, of 600, given the resources available and the essential need to preserve our model of policing by consent.

Lord Toby Harris said: “The quality and effectiveness of the work done by the intelligence services and the counter-terrorist police is amongst the best in the world, and if London were subject to a terrorist attack today, our emergency services response would be substantially faster than five years ago. Nevertheless, a serious terrorist attack remains highly possible and we cannot be complacent. London needs to become a city where security and resilience is designed in and is part of the city’s fabric, and where everyone who lives and works here sees security and resilience as their responsibility just as much as it is for the emergency services and civic authorities.”

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “I am extremely grateful to Lord Toby Harris who has produced a significant, in-depth piece of work. His findings and events in the last week remind us what a fantastic job our police officers and emergency services do every day to keep us safe. But there is more that can be done by a wide range of organisations, and Lord Harris’s many recommendations deserve careful consideration and exploration over the coming months so we can take steps to ensure we are as prepared as possible.”

A formal response to the Lord Harris Review will be published in due course.

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/significant-and-wide-ranging-independent-report

Edit "added spoiler report contents about police etc"
 
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