Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?


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Soldato
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Since you're talking in general terms I will also.

Another problem is that "justice" is relative to the observer, until *all* the facts are established. (I'm not saying this is appropriate to Bin Laden, just hypothetically).

Another point of an investigation and a trial is so that every single pertinent fact can be presented, and a verdict can be given based on the full story (not always perfect).

Whether you think justice has been done can depend on your viewpoint, and whether or not you know the full story. It's easy to make up contrived examples but I won't.

The pursuit of absolute justice is a fools errand, we pursue the best possible justice. If someone like Bin Laden makes the justice process difficult by trying to shoot the US SEAL team attempting to apprehend him, then the best possible justice is for him to be shot dead.
 
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BBC really pushing the child care lapse by Corybn to the extreme. Yes it was poor but it was costed and their was a figure, he just didnt have it to hand.

Reaction way over the top, it's thier top story and keeps getting pushed to the top of their live feed.
 
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The pursuit of absolute justice is a fools errand, we pursue the best possible justice. If someone like Bin Laden makes the justice process difficult by trying to shoot the US SEAL team attempting to apprehend him, then the best possible justice is for him to be shot dead.
How do drone strikes fit into this idea of "best possible justice", then?
 
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BBC really pushing the child care lapse by Corybn to the extreme. Yes it was poor but it was costed and their was a figure, he just didnt have it to hand.

Reaction way over the top, it's thier top story and keeps getting pushed to the top of their live feed.
I'm not sure you can even call it poor. If he'd reeled a number off the top of his head and it turned out to be incorrect, he'd have been lambasted for it. Not the first time that has happened in this election cycle. It shows prudence to want to confirm your numbers before declaring them.
 
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Think I'll be voting labour, despite being unsure about Corbyn - hugely difficult to make a fair judgement of the guy from my perspective when so many just run around screaming "he's unelectable" with no explanation why. I'm concerned about Dianne Abbot being around, but then again I'm not sure she's any more of a blundering fool than Boris, even if that's not a directly fair comparison.

At the end of the day I think the thing that's swung me around having voting Tory last time out is that Theresa May just seems to be an utterly awful human being who can't answer a single question no matter how simple. I'd quite like to see the NHS and other public services not be ground out of existence too, even if that means if financially I'm slightly worse off than I'd be under a Tory government (Jury out on that I guess...)

We're stuck with a pretty poor choice of leaders no matter how you look at it :(
 
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If Labour do win, or even win in coalition with the LibDems then May has made a huge miscalculation. This election just got more interesting :)
 
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Jesus, almost 50% support for Labour and isn't this forum pro-Tory?

4.5% non-voting. Unrepresentative poll is unrepresentative.
It is however interesting - clearly the demographic of the average tech enthusiast isn't what it once was, yet I wouldn't say the hobby is any more financially accessible than 10 years ago. Intellectually more accessible - perhaps ;)
 
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To me voting for Labour is like letting the kids decide how much to spend on themselves at Christmas. I'm fully confident I could do a better job of running the country than the current Labour leadership, while having zero Political experience.
 
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A bit like Corbyn and condemning the IRA?
Yeh I guess so, I've not been following all the stories but did see that one and he wasn't out and out condemning them from memory. But in other cases he's answered questions and been quite sensible from what I've seen. Meanwhile May just seems to just repeat Strong and Stable over and over in the hope that the subject changes!
I'm kinda fine with politicians avoiding questions they don't like, I don't think I can recall a single politician that hasn't done that. They're all manipulative liars at the end of the day, it's just choosing the best from a bad bunch...
 
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To me voting for Labour is like letting the kids decide how much to spend on themselves at Christmas. I'm fully confident I could do a better job of running the country than the current Labour leadership, while having zero Political experience.
Agreed, however I don't want a large May Con majority. We need opposition, even if they are rubbish. I'd have felt differently if Cameron were still in charge I think - even though I wasn't that keen on him myself.

Lib Dems missed a trick by not getting Vince Cable at the helm - they'd have mopped up more votes without Farron in charge IMO.
 
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Saw this earlier and thought it was brilliantly put
Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is:

"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with:

“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?

You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?

You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?

You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?

You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?

You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?

You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie and can't lie. He could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of **** taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, screw them, it's long overdue. #VoteLabour #Forthemanynotthefew
 
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BBC really pushing the child care lapse by Corybn to the extreme. Yes it was poor but it was costed and their was a figure, he just didnt have it to hand.

Reaction way over the top, it's thier top story and keeps getting pushed to the top of their live feed.

Welcome to the modern day.
 
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