POLL: X-Factor
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feriso said:
So you're saying that Ray is a better singer than Leona
I've yet to hear Leona give a bad performance, did you hear Ray absolulety crucify "Livin' Da Vida Loca" it was painful! Ray makes my skin crawl, he isn't a great singer and will have 0 lasting appeal beyond 1 album of swing covers.
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Individual, sorry Robbie Williams did a whole "swing" album and did it 1000% better than Ray ever could, he's talented don't get me wrong but I just can't see him beyond a stage performer.
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far more people around doing what Leona is copying rather than Ray. One album released 5 years ago compared to every single warbling bint in the charts today?
As for the Robbie album - lets see... 10yrs established artist - 19 year old kid starting out... hmmmm. Of course he's going to be better.
By the way that's precisely the same thing people said about Will Young... and he's not done too badly for himself now has he?
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HEADRAT said:Probably because one has commercial (public appeal) as the other does not, if I want to listen to swing I'd just buy a proper "Rat Pack" album
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And if I wanted to listen to Christina/Mariah/(insert other ear-splitting warbler here) I would do - not Leona
What you've said just proves that Ray is the far more individual choice. Just because the style Leona follows is popular doesn't mean you have to be a sheep and follow suit - and Swing might not be hugely popular but then, who is out there doing it to appeal to the younger generation?
Opera wasn't considered popular until Il Divo and G4 came along - and they sell bucketloads of albums.
But he just can't sing very well he's it's very "nasally" and some of his performances has just been shocking ("Livin' Da Vida Loca"), Leona is a much better singer/performer than Ray.
The cynical choice of "Never Walk Alone" on Saturday along with the "gushing" waterworks made me want to wretch!
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The cynical choice of "Never Walk Alone" on Saturday along with the "gushing" waterworks made me want to wretch!
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Beansprout said:You said what I just typed
i wondered when you'd show up
And Leona's 'little miss oh what's going on i'm so innocent and vulnerable oh it's such a big wide world and i've got such a talent and i just don't know it' act isn't cynical at all?? of course not!!
Only difference is she's been relying on that the whole way through the show kitten_caboodle said:And Leona's 'little miss oh what's going on i'm so innocent and vulnerable oh it's such a big wide world and i've got such a talent and i just don't know it' act isn't cynical at all?? of course not!!
Exactly, Leona's constant "innocence" is entirely more annoying than the one off waterworks from ray.
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HEADRAT said:I'm under no illusions about Leona's "act" believe me
So you honestly enjoy ""nasally" renditions of 50+ year old songs by somebody who want to be the next "Shaking Stevens"
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well first of all I don't hear this 'nasally' thing that you're going on about - and yes, I can turn on the radio at any time of the day or night and hear some Mariah wanabee/wanabee group warbling and causing an offence to my eardrums. I don't see what's so wrong with wanting to be a bit different.
And if you are aware of her act, bit hypocritical to use Ray's 'gushing' waterworks as a reson to dislike him? He's only just catching up to Leona in terms of manipulation of the viewers.
and it was 'Shakin' Stevens btw...
and more to the point his stuff was more rock n'roll not swing - which is completely different. kitten_caboodle said:
But its not "different" it just churning up 50+ year old music.
kitten_caboodle said:which is completely different.
Well I've seen more than a couple of performances where Ray does some terrible "Elvis" type dancing which reminded me of 'Shakin' Stevens!
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But neither is what Leona is doing different - that's my point - it's exactly the same as what every other warbler is out there trying to do. It's boring!!
Have to agree with you on the Elvis thing though, the jailhouse rock thing was painful.
Have to agree with you on the Elvis thing though, the jailhouse rock thing was painful.
kitten_caboodle said:
But she can sing, OK I don't like every song she does but she bound to do covers and Mariah and Whitney as a showcase for her voice, if somebody wrote some contemporay songs for her and kept her away from "vibrato" then she'd do a really good job of them I'm sure.
Ray again has stuck pretty much with his formula as he's confident with that, difference is that Ray has returned some terrible vocal performances and some of his "dancing" has been almost laughable! I just can't hear Ray singing a decent contemporay song, dredging up "oldies but goodies" will probably keep him going for maybe 1 album but I don't see how this can be classed as "different"!
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Wish people would stop banging on about the 'warbling' - she used vibrato once in the Whitney number on Sat night, whole rest of the song had none in it.
I don't think the world is exactly crowded with artists with her talent who sing that genre - yes you've got Whitney and Mariah, but they've both bowed out of the public eye due to either hitting the crack pipe or going mental. Other than that you've got......erm, Christina Aquilera and errr.......?
I wouldn't buy an album from either of the finalists, because I dislike both of the genres of music they seem to focus on, however Leonas voice actually gives me goosebumps in some of her performances (and despite being live have, on a couple of occasions, sounded as good as the recorded versions by the original artists imo). She's not just another journeyman, reasonably talented performer - I think she's really a cut above anyone that has come out of these talent shows to date.
I don't buy into the whole 'ooh her innocence is just an act' - she seems to be just a nice, normal person to me.
Ray on the other hand (aside from looking like the love child of some unholy coupling of Max Headroom, Chuckie, Satan and the Dairly Lea cows) is just an average sounding, overly cheesy novelty act. Yes he's 'different' (although let's not tell Frank Sinatra and Harry Connick Jr that), but so are genital herpes and he's about as appealing.
I don't think the world is exactly crowded with artists with her talent who sing that genre - yes you've got Whitney and Mariah, but they've both bowed out of the public eye due to either hitting the crack pipe or going mental. Other than that you've got......erm, Christina Aquilera and errr.......?
I wouldn't buy an album from either of the finalists, because I dislike both of the genres of music they seem to focus on, however Leonas voice actually gives me goosebumps in some of her performances (and despite being live have, on a couple of occasions, sounded as good as the recorded versions by the original artists imo). She's not just another journeyman, reasonably talented performer - I think she's really a cut above anyone that has come out of these talent shows to date.
I don't buy into the whole 'ooh her innocence is just an act' - she seems to be just a nice, normal person to me.
Ray on the other hand (aside from looking like the love child of some unholy coupling of Max Headroom, Chuckie, Satan and the Dairly Lea cows) is just an average sounding, overly cheesy novelty act. Yes he's 'different' (although let's not tell Frank Sinatra and Harry Connick Jr that), but so are genital herpes and he's about as appealing.
Von Luck said:
You listen back to Leona's other songs during the contest and she does this in pretty much every song.... it is good where necessary but doing it repetitively does get boring....
BTW I never said Leona was not as good as Ray in terms of her ability to sing notes etc... it is more to do with the fine details/dynamics and emotions of how the songs are sung.
Both have been around longer than 5 minutes. Beyonce's range can't even compete with Leona or Mariah, she just has the image, songs and agent to get her what she needs, much like Usher.jas72 said:
I don't think it was fake, he was singing the one song that reminds people of Liverpool than any other and it's an emotional song anyway. It was most likely a mix of things, the moment, the song and the way he sung it (poorly). But no one would ever take the risk of breaking down midsong for a sympathy vote.jas72 said:
I'm sorry, but if you think there are many many people singing like Leona you are so SO wrong.kitten_caboodle said:
Many people try Whitney and Mariah on these shows but the fact is, they have all sucked. Leona is the only one to do it justice. You also need to remember, when you've heard Mariah or Whitney sing it's recorded through a studio, Leona is doing that live every week and still giving sensational vocal performances.
The only young person who can currently REALLY sing in the charts is Christina, so there is a LOT of room for someone with Leona's talents.
kitten_caboodle said:Awww... just because people don't follow the path like sheep and buy into this warbling nonsense, you have to insult them*... pretty sad tbh. Still, if you have to do that, shows you've got no 'proper' argument
*but it was funny, I'll give you that.
wow. calm down dear.
ray is the antichrist and should be banned from all forms of media. this is my argument.