Pork Pie Roundabout Madness

[petridish]

There's a place called ***** on Orkney, wonder what they eat too much of...

 

[Johno please?]

Nice dodge?

You stated that pigs are tortured.

I countered that your use of the word torture was inappropriate.

You changed the subject to a fabricated scenario where you replace the original animal with one that is more associated with companionship in an attempt to divert from the original debate (is the word torture correctly applied)

So please, don't talk to me about dodging.

....And you still haven't answered the question.

If you don't consider the things I describe as torture then what is.

 

[Johno please?]

If I meant cows and chickens then that's what I would have typed.

Bovines include bison and buffalo, which although somewhat uncommonly farmed in the UK are commonly farmed globally.

Similarly poultry are any bird farmed for their eggs or meat.

As a dedicated vegetarian or vegan sympathiser you should know this, it could be useful to your (lost) cause

I wouldn't call a growing movement a lost cause, especially a movement thats trying to cause less suffering to sentient beings.

 

[Lopéz]

....And you still haven't answered the question.

If you don't consider the things I describe as torture then what is.

Hi,
I don't engage in debate with posters who I believe to hold extremist views.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I wouldn't call a growing movement a lost cause, especially a movement thats trying to cause less suffering to sentient beings.

Whilst I fully respect and applaud your endeavours to give publicity to facets of modern factory farming of animals, I still think it a lost cause to believe a significant enough change in the diets of mankind globally is achievable to make factory farming unnecessary. Not even in this one country.

The need for such farming of animals only became necessary when the burgeoning world population, especially in concentrated urban regions, made demand for cheap meat products surpass more equitable animal management.

Personally I see the only way out is a stop to further population growth by enforced birth control, and a concerted drive to stop migratory growth of the already overpopulated countries like Great Britain. Or a global war that reduced population levels back to a more naturally sustainable level.

 

[Efour]

Whilst I fully respect and applaud your endeavours to give publicity to facets of modern factory farming of animals, I still think it a lost cause to believe a significant enough change in the diets of mankind globally is achievable to make factory farming unnecessary. Not even in this one country.

The need for such farming of animals only became necessary when the burgeoning world population, especially in concentrated urban regions, made demand for cheap meat products surpass more equitable animal management.

Personally I see the only way out is a stop to further population growth by enforced birth control, and a concerted drive to stop migratory growth of the already overpopulated countries like Great Britain. Or a global war that reduced population levels back to a more naturally sustainable level.

or kill all the vegans?

 

[C Kent]

or kill all the vegans?

just take away their supplements and watch them all die out

 

[Hagar]

If a pork pie is a roundabout, what is a sausage roll? A diversion?

 

[Richie]

....And you still haven't answered the question.

If you don't consider the things I describe as torture then what is.

Necessary to create a safe environment for the pigs. For example - They don't grind their teeth down for cosmetic reasons - it's done to stop them biting each other and causing injury.

Next you'll be saying sheep shearing is cruel and should stop as it's torture....

TBH I have no idea why I am engaging with you again on this topic as every "act of animal harm" you brought up in the Vegan thread, I debunked as animal husbandry and was for the benefit of the animal.

You just ignored it as it didn't fit your narrative and therefore continued on your blinkered view.

I shall waste no more time with you on this.

 

[C Kent]

Necessary to create a safe environment for the pigs. For example - They don't grind their teeth down for cosmetic reasons - it's done to stop them biting each other and causing injury.

Next you'll be saying sheep shearing is cruel and should stop as it's torture....

TBH I have no idea why I am engaging with you again on this topic as every "act of animal harm" you brought up in the Vegan thread, I debunked as animal husbandry and was for the benefit of the animal.

You just ignored it as it didn't fit your narrative and therefore continued on your blinkered view.

I shall waste no more time with you on this.

There's no one quite so devout as a recent convert to a religion.

 

[Lopéz]

There's no one quite so devout as a recent convert to a religion.

This. I'm not being drawn into a debate about "what if dogs were pigs and what if human rights applied to them" with a guy who decided to become a devout vegan a few months ago.

 

[Bassmansam]

I wouldn't call a growing movement a lost cause, especially a movement thats trying to cause less suffering to sentient beings.

Vegans love that phrase “sentiment beings”. Sounds proper hoiler than thou.

 

[Johno please?]

Necessary to create a safe environment for the pigs. For example - They don't grind their teeth down for cosmetic reasons - it's done to stop them biting each other and causing injury.

Next you'll be saying sheep shearing is cruel and should stop as it's torture....

TBH I have no idea why I am engaging with you again on this topic as every "act of animal harm" you brought up in the Vegan thread, I debunked as animal husbandry and was for the benefit of the animal.

You just ignored it as it didn't fit your narrative and therefore continued on your blinkered view.

I shall waste no more time with you on this.

LOL "safe environment" Please stop with the BS excuses.

You don't think I know why they mutilate pigs? Of course I do, and why do they get so stressed they bite each other? Because they're kept in horrific conditions.

Ignorance is bliss eh, If we take something or use an animal in someway its pretty safe to assume that animal at best has been abused, at worst killed.

Obviously sheep need to be sheared because of the way we've bred them.... it can be summed up like this:

"Most vegans argue that sheep that cannot shed their fleece are a byproduct of human interference.

If we hadn’t meddled with breeding selection and genetics, we would not have so many types of sheep that cannot shed their fleece naturally.

So without interference, shearing sheep today would not be necessary.

And by supporting the industry, we are saying that it’s okay to breed sheep like this"

Shearers secretly filmed punching, throwing and stamping on sheep could face criminal charges

RSPCA considers legal action after first major exposé of British wool farm practices revealed toll of cruelty

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Johno please?]

This. I'm not being drawn into a debate about "what if dogs were pigs and what if human rights applied to them" with a guy who decided to become a devout vegan a few months ago.

You refuse to answer the question because if you answered yes, it would make you a hypocrite, but whatever makes you feel better.

Yes I used to be a hypocrite and paid for animal abuse.

No ones talking about having human rights applied to pigs, it would be nice to apply animal rights consistently though, and not pick and choose which ones get treated well and which ones get treated appallingly.

 

[Johno please?]

Whilst I fully respect and applaud your endeavours to give publicity to facets of modern factory farming of animals, I still think it a lost cause to believe a significant enough change in the diets of mankind globally is achievable to make factory farming unnecessary. Not even in this one country.

The need for such farming of animals only became necessary when the burgeoning world population, especially in concentrated urban regions, made demand for cheap meat products surpass more equitable animal management.

Personally I see the only way out is a stop to further population growth by enforced birth control, and a concerted drive to stop migratory growth of the already overpopulated countries like Great Britain. Or a global war that reduced population levels back to a more naturally sustainable level.

Factory farming is unnecessary. How much food do you think it takes to feed and raise 80 billion land animals alone? (Thats before we look at the farmed fish) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/animals-slaughtered-for-meat

The only way out is to stop having kids? Good one Chris, I ignored all your comments in the thread I made, now I remember why

If only there was some alternative to eating animal products.....

 

[Thekwango]

I’d probably be a bit pissy too and prone to picking fights I can’t win if I was having to do without meaty goodness

 

[Hagar]

I’d probably be a bit pissy too and prone to picking fights I can’t win if I was having to do without meaty goodness

King prawn jalfrezi for tea tonight. I love the thought of all those sentient beings that live off dead sailors and the like.

 

[Tefal]

"the junction should be called Vegan Pie Roundabout to "help reduce Leicester's concerning obesity rates"


Is a vegan pie much lower in calories?

 

[C Kent]

"the junction should be called Vegan Pie Roundabout to "help reduce Leicester's concerning obesity rates"


Is a vegan pie much lower in calories?

Don't think grass has many calories..

 

[Chris Wilson]

Don't think grass has many calories..

One of my cows is fat, and I've never seen her eating a pork pie