Absolutely right. Posting from beyond the grave.
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Absolutely right. Posting from beyond the grave.
I doubt he cares. I don't.
You made a sweeping statement that a Porsche is easier to live with because:
At 51 seconds into a heavily stylized and edited video, you noticed vertical movement in a close up shot of the GT-R bonnet. This led you to deduce that the GT-R has rock hard suspension, similiar to a "touring car".
Why is it "holy lol?" At 50 seconds, the GT-R can be seen driving over a noticeable road imperfection. So in LaLa land where promos are shot in sequence and are unedited, we can assume your perfectly smooth road actually isn't perfect at 51 seconds, as the second camera has spotted the issue.
I'll take a wild guess that the two are unconnected, it's all been cobbled together in an editing suite and you have *no* idea what the car drove over at 50 seconds.
But I'll ask anyway, what mode was the suspension in at 51 seconds? Race, Normal(sports) or Comfort?
Seriously, think about just *how* ridiculous this is.
Youtube. The new test drive facility at your fingertips.
Got a few mates and know a few forum aquaintences with GT-R's who've also owned and still own serious Pork. I would call the view as this. The GT-R is VERY quick and in the main solid, but the Gen 1 cars have some build issues that Nissan seem to acknowledge. I think it is also fair to say to a man they have found them more expensive to run than even a GT2 and in need of more fondling after a track outing, but that is where Porsche rules the world, nothing bests the turn up, drive hard, go home an check the oil approach of a GT Porsche, they are simply the best at this at the serious end of the track day world. Many of the early adopters are back into their Pork now however, usually with a done that, loved it, not sure I'd want to do it again. Not all of course, some still live with them or await the new one. Nissan's PR was epic and I think in the main seems to have lived up to the hype. Serious car and without it Porsche would not have built the GT2 RS and would have continued to take the **** with their GT models.
Long live the GT-R I say. Who gives a flying **** about image or who might drive them in 10 years. To use this as justification for not liking or wanting one is daft when seen from the perspective of cars that cost a tenner and cars that cost a million. An epic car is an epic car to a petrolhead, I'd have both in a shot, I'd chose Pork as Fett would chose Nissan for that is what floats our boat and because we can or used to can in my case
Well said. I'll respond properly tomorrow, that post warrants one.
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I don't care who you are and yes I know what you do, you get made to look silly by me (and Fett) on an internet forum.
Judging a car on one particular example in a youtube video is ridiculous and the fact that you posted it and then did a whole "Don't you know who I am?!" thing has made it all the more funny.
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Please.... Call me Dair.
I've read it all now, I've had lots of seat time as both passenger and driver in the R35 GTR and it suspension is simply superb. Infact it handles UK roads absolutely superbly and on a country road there is no Porsche that would keep up, not even close.
The GTR has comfort, standard and race, in comfort the suspension is firm and it soaks up bumps very well and is the ideal setting for UK roads and the car will just glide and soak up bumps.
Switch to race mode and the car has more feel, but race mode is far better suited to better quality roads otherwise for most it can be a bit too firm, but for fun its superb.
I've also looked a lot into running cost of the GTR, needless to say they are not as expensive to run as I originally thought. Independents can service the car a lot cheaper and your warranty is un-affected. The GTR gets through it tyres in circa 8000 miles at a time and a Nissan OPC will charge you £2000 for a set of tyres, but Bridgestones can be had for around £1300, still expensive.
Brakes is the other expensive, pads will last circa 10,000 miles, but the rotars themselves can crack in as little as 6000 miles especially if the car is tracked. A pair of new front rotars is £1500ish from Nissan OPC but again an independent can do them around £500 and some make the brakes last far longer.
MPG wise well your gonna average 15MPG.
I think for the performance on offer and the initial outlay the running cost are not that extreme, I think rumours of high running cost have got out of control and a lot of scaremongering.
It makes me laugh though the OP is comparing a Boxster to a GTR, the Boxster is simply slow in comparison and would have no hope ever against a GTR. To answer the OP the GTR suspension is nowhere near touring car stiff, if the OP had ever been in a touring car he'd nver have made such a comment.
Who, the WJA96 guy you mean?
If so nope I don't, but I know what a touring cars suspension is like and well to even say a road car looks like its got touring car suspension is stupidy but to say that from watching a youtube video, well LOL.
Good god, they crack?
Yes but maybe not the way your thinking, they don't crack as in literally fall to bits, they just crack marginally, could potentially be a disaster if you did not spot it.
Thats the problem with a hugely powerful yet heavy car, its very heavy on its brakes. Some owners don't have issues and they last a good 15,000 miles wheras others destroy a set of rotars as often as they change tyres.
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During normal road use? If so thats a serious design flaw.
Not serious enough for a recall so.................... meh?!
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..... what?
If driven very hard yes. Certainly on a track day.
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If driven Very Hard well thats understandable, any car is going to burn through its brakes faster, but given normal road use, as in not driving like your pants are on fire every second of the day, if your discs gave in at 15k i'd be wanting to know what brand of chocolate they are made out of.
It cant be that serious.... If it were then surely Nissan would recall the cars!
Its a GTR though with huge amounts of grip and superb handling, so the car begs to be driven hard. I know two guys who have owned them, both did track days and both changed out the rotars in less than 10k miles. Some owners get more who only drive on the road but again if driven hard on road or if your heavy on brakes they need changing often.
I think people forget the kind of car the GTR is, its a true supercar with all the performance to go with it and supercar owners are used to such service intervals. Yes a lightweight Ferrari with carbon brakes will last far far longer due to the carbon brakes, but sub Ferraris cost over 100k.
The GTR's issue is it weight, its nearly 2 tonne with driver and fluids and stopping it means hard work on the brakes.