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I don't get your point... every review says it's a better car in every way yet simply doesn't sound as good. 
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I don't get your point... every review says it's a better car in every way yet simply doesn't sound as good.
Which is similar to the 993 to 996 move, wah wah watercooling, then all forgotten.
I don't get your point... every review says it's a better car in every way yet simply doesn't sound as good.
The engine creates the drama as its builds to a crescendo and it's one of the main things for buying a sport car as its one of tha main factors why I purchased mine. However, a dull souless engine doesn't want to make get up and drive the car no matter how well it handles.
The engine would be fine in a normal car but not a sports car.
Its not lost 2 cyclinders though, I think thats far more controversal than from air cooled to water cooled, then again its not a 911.
It just sounds dull, monotone and industrial.
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When I see a Porsche, I expect to hear a Porsche, not an imprezza 
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Yes. Superb all-rounder. I had one with a DMS remap to around 630 hp, 600 lb ft. Also fitted with a Miltek exhaust (which deletes the central silencer but retains the sport exhaust button).
It had huge straight line acceleration (felt faster than my previously stock GT-R). Glorious V8 sound following the exhaust mod, although with the standard sports exhaust, the car is unnecessarily over-muffled. Very planted at high speeds. Air suspension is good and in sport plus lowers the ride height and stiffens everything up considerably. Handling is similar to a standard GT-R in that setting - i.e. competent in long sweepers and reasonable in tight cornering. You can encourage it to 4-wheel drift if you push it. The level of comfort and refinement in the interior was second to none that I've experienced.
The new Panamera has been anounced and looks a lot better than the current car (including the facelift). However, the old one up to 2012/2013 is a relative bargain. You can pick up a turbo/turbo S with essentially every possible option for £50-65k now. Mine new was £140k with all options. I wouldn't buy from an OPC under any circumstances. Good independents are the way to go and ensure that it is still under warranty. So, if you can stomach the looks, go for it. If I needed that type of car again, I'd go for a Ferrari FF but the price is easily double for not a lot more car.
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Lol, it's a slightly worse sounding engine, it's a bit much claiming it's dull and soulless!
The old flat 6 is hardly amazing, it sounds like a bag of spanners at low revs and is comparatively lethargic compared to the turbo 4.
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I'd say the comparative values of each car suggest it very much wasn't all forgotten.
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Try it with a sports exhaust, it sounds awesome.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to me it does sound dull and soulless and I am not alone in that opinion. It's also the main reason I will not buy one which leaves my current options as a 991 GT3 or the 991.2 GTS when it comes to market or I’ll keep mine.
It depends which flat 6 you are referring to as the "Mezger" engine which is used in GT/Turbo & Motorsport cars up until last year did sound like rough on idle. However, when it’s on cam it sounds objectively one of the best sounding engines, which can only really be bettered by a well peddled V10/12.
This does sound amazing in my opinion.
So unloved for such a long time. It's such a shame that the market has gone totally mad for all things Porsche at the moment. I'm fortunate in liking the 996 looks I guess, although they're getting a bit older now and the interior especially is starting to look dated. Early 997s are going the same way in the second hand market, but the real missed bargain is the 996 turbo. Thing is, the 996 is faster and handles better by all accounts than the 993. It was a huge step forward technologically and yet the buying public fear change!
Whilst the dream is to own a 911, I wonder if the 981 boxster is actually a much better proposal for owning a convertible Porsche before I have children! Although no option for child seat fitment...
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How many flat 6 Porsches have you owned?
Never heard so much nonsense posted.
I owned a 997.1 C2S with the 3800cc engine with PSE and the car sounded amazing at any rpm, it got a lot of attention for the noise it made at idle, low revs and full chat because it sounded very good.
It was also never lethargic, throttle response in sports mode was superb and it would get up and go from any rpm and pulled hard to the 7500rpm limit.
Apart from the reliability issues of the the gen1 they go and sound awesome, of course I am speaking from an ownership experience of nearly five years and having driven all the other flat 6 engines Porsche had to go offer also and none of them matched your description.
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One, a Cayman S. At idle / low speeds sounded distinctly average.
The N/A 6's are lethargic in comparison to the slab of torque that the turbo 4's give... Top end is a different story.
All this "I won't buy a Cayman now because the turbo four is rubbish" is completely ridiculous. It's a better engine in many ways, the lesser soundtrack is a compromise for this.
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Mine sounded pretty awesome in fairness even at idle, on the basis of PSE and valves open.
For me a car is heavily about how good the engine sounds and how it makes power and throttle response, but noise is a big importance. End of the day if noise was not important everyone would buy Ecoboost Mustangs, but they don't because those one sound completely crap like pretty much all 4 cylinder turbocharged cars do. For me the engine makes a car and it can make some cars truly great.
Of course new Porsche 718's will handle and drive great, they all do but going turbocharged makes them less appealing to me and then the fact they lost two cylinders as well even more so.
Audi now have a real chance with the new TT RS to steal market share from Porsche because I'd take the new TT RS over the new Cayman S I reckon, 5 cylinder turbo sounds better and makes a lot more power and the new TT chassis will hopefully finally resolve the massive understeer issues the last RS had. Though in reality I'd buy neither as the RS just is well a bit Audi and girly.
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Same here really. One thing I love about v8s is the idle burbling away.
Same goes for a Sierra - completely average/poor car to do shopping in. Stick a cosworth motor in it... it completely changes it into something that makes you smile.
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