Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

Roughly £1800 / month I'd guess!

I got around £1550, becomes interesting, I've never purchased a car before on the principal that 3yr later you have to still pay a fairly large chunk of cash to own it.

What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

A real shame one cannot buy the new GT3, just configured one in Sapphire Miami Blue, came to 120k, so much car for the money and am sure they will go same way with no depreciation and no doubt appreciate. I could drop 50-60k deposit and finance say 30-40k and then owe 30k at end?

No chance of getting one with Porsche and their whole limited numbers production and only letting big spending customers buy, meh! :(
 
I got around £1550, becomes interesting, I've never purchased a car before on the principal that 3yr later you have to still pay a fairly large chunk of cash to own it.

What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

A real shame one cannot buy the new GT3, just configured one in Sapphire Miami Blue, came to 120k, so much car for the money and am sure they will go same way with no depreciation and no doubt appreciate. I could drop 50-60k deposit and finance say 30-40k and then owe 30k at end?

No chance of getting one with Porsche and their whole limited numbers production and only letting big spending customers buy, meh! :(

The way the product has been described to me is convincing low income people that they can afford cars that they can't, so when they get to the balloon payment at the end, they have to give the car back, and then they are trapped with nothing, and the dealer can entice them into something else insanely profitable for the dealer. When we were purchasing my partners Mini the finance manager fully admitted afterwards that it was a way to trap people, we spent £13k on a Mini Cooper S, 8 down and 5 on finance or something (cant remember now) and the new Mini had just been released, the amount of sales pressure not to go second hand and use that £8k to get a "brand new one! OMG WOW, CHEAP FINANCE AND SWAP IT FOR ANOTHER NEW ONE IN 3 YEARS TIME!" was ridiculous.
 
The way the product has been described to me is convincing low income people that they can afford cars that they can't, so when they get to the balloon payment at the end, they have to give the car back, and then they are trapped with nothing, and the dealer can entice them into something else insanely profitable for the dealer. When we were purchasing my partners Mini the finance manager fully admitted afterwards that it was a way to trap people, we spent £13k on a Mini Cooper S, 8 down and 5 on finance or something (cant remember now) and the new Mini had just been released, the amount of sales pressure not to go second hand and use that £8k to get a "brand new one! OMG WOW, CHEAP FINANCE AND SWAP IT FOR ANOTHER NEW ONE IN 3 YEARS TIME!" was ridiculous.

Yeah when I got Mustang I paid over 2/3 cash and financed rest over 2yr, I've paid the Mustang off early though so if I decide to sell it tomorrow I can with no hassle, its worth around 40k in current state, though no plan to sell just yet, of course if I could 100% get myself into a GT3 I would be seriously tempted to sell Mustang and M3, drop 60k on GT3, finance rest with a balloon of 30k at end and do the finance over 3yr, could save 10k per year and still enjoy a GT3 and they are investments too, hence why its near impossible to get one. :(

Right now can't really think of any other car I want, maybe a 991 Turbo as they are around 100k but I think I'd bore real quick as way too easy to drive quick, at least GT3 has real character and is an event even at 10mph and sounds awesome.

Shall see but right now only thing kind of tempting me away from Mustang is 991 GT3 or 991 TT, would not mind a GT4 but I'd also miss 500+ horses.
 
I got around £1550, becomes interesting, I've never purchased a car before on the principal that 3yr later you have to still pay a fairly large chunk of cash to own it.

What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

A real shame one cannot buy the new GT3, just configured one in Sapphire Miami Blue, came to 120k, so much car for the money and am sure they will go same way with no depreciation and no doubt appreciate. I could drop 50-60k deposit and finance say 30-40k and then owe 30k at end?

No chance of getting one with Porsche and their whole limited numbers production and only letting big spending customers buy, meh! :(

The actual monthly payments will depend to some degree on the interest rate being charged for the finance. ~£1800/month would be around 5%, but at around 3% that comes down to ~£1700/month. Either way it's a big old chunk of dosh every month! :eek:

This site allows you to calculate the costs: http://www.pcpcal.co.uk/
 
I got around £1550, becomes interesting, I've never purchased a car before on the principal that 3yr later you have to still pay a fairly large chunk of cash to own it.

What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

A real shame one cannot buy the new GT3, just configured one in Sapphire Miami Blue, came to 120k, so much car for the money and am sure they will go same way with no depreciation and no doubt appreciate. I could drop 50-60k deposit and finance say 30-40k and then owe 30k at end?

No chance of getting one with Porsche and their whole limited numbers production and only letting big spending customers buy, meh! :(

I suppose another angle to approach this from is you have a fully paid off 40k car (which miraculously) hasn't depreciated much if at all. Is the GT3 worth spending 1800 per month plus the deposit and balloon at the end in terms of enjoyment it will provide you beyond the Mustang. I know it's difficult to align enjoyment and expenditure. The whole investment / lack of depreciation is what's happened on the previous models, while its fair to assume the same will happen again, it's not a certainty
 
What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

Yeah you either pay it off in full or do what most people do and refinance it, either through their finance or via a personal loan, then the car is yours. If you can't or don't want to pay the balloon then you just hand the car back and walk away or use the equity against the GFV against a new car
 
Roughly £1800 / month I'd guess!

May I ask why it was £240,000, it seems really really expensive for a 991 GT3, is it because of colour and low miles m8?

EDIT: Ignore, need my eyes testing, £145,000, not so bad at all considering colour and miles.

Might I ask the monthly payment please?

About £1660/month - I got a rate of 7.9%
 
I got around £1550, becomes interesting, I've never purchased a car before on the principal that 3yr later you have to still pay a fairly large chunk of cash to own it.

What happens if you buy it, say 50k down, 3yr and then owe 50k at the end? You pay 50k and you own it? What if you do not have 50k? They buy car back or just re-possess it?

A real shame one cannot buy the new GT3, just configured one in Sapphire Miami Blue, came to 120k, so much car for the money and am sure they will go same way with no depreciation and no doubt appreciate. I could drop 50-60k deposit and finance say 30-40k and then owe 30k at end?

No chance of getting one with Porsche and their whole limited numbers production and only letting big spending customers buy, meh! :(

Yes - you can pay £50k to own it, or you can sell it to pay off the finance and keep the left over, or you can use it as a part-ex for next purchase and the equity in the car will go towards your deposit.

The way the product has been described to me is convincing low income people that they can afford cars that they can't, so when they get to the balloon payment at the end, they have to give the car back, and then they are trapped with nothing, and the dealer can entice them into something else insanely profitable for the dealer. When we were purchasing my partners Mini the finance manager fully admitted afterwards that it was a way to trap people, we spent £13k on a Mini Cooper S, 8 down and 5 on finance or something (cant remember now) and the new Mini had just been released, the amount of sales pressure not to go second hand and use that £8k to get a "brand new one! OMG WOW, CHEAP FINANCE AND SWAP IT FOR ANOTHER NEW ONE IN 3 YEARS TIME!" was ridiculous.

The way I see it... I will make more money from investments with that £62k in my account making me money in trading than I would benefit from paying it all off in that term / risk associated with it / etc.

Relatively low risk algorithmic trading has a return rate of approx 10%/month... more you have there, the more you make.

There was no pressure at Porsche at all... he asked me how I was thinking of doing it and I told him... if I'd wanted to do the auto-swap type thing, then I would have gone PCP... but HP/balloon has more favourable terms.

I expect in 3 years and 30k miles, the GT3 will still be worth well in excess of £62k.

Yeah when I got Mustang I paid over 2/3 cash and financed rest over 2yr, I've paid the Mustang off early though so if I decide to sell it tomorrow I can with no hassle, its worth around 40k in current state, though no plan to sell just yet, of course if I could 100% get myself into a GT3 I would be seriously tempted to sell Mustang and M3, drop 60k on GT3, finance rest with a balloon of 30k at end and do the finance over 3yr, could save 10k per year and still enjoy a GT3 and they are investments too, hence why its near impossible to get one. :(

Right now can't really think of any other car I want, maybe a 991 Turbo as they are around 100k but I think I'd bore real quick as way too easy to drive quick, at least GT3 has real character and is an event even at 10mph and sounds awesome.

Shall see but right now only thing kind of tempting me away from Mustang is 991 GT3 or 991 TT, would not mind a GT4 but I'd also miss 500+ horses.

I went in there to view a 991 Turbo S and this GT3 had just made its way onto the sales floor... :)
 
The way the product has been described to me is convincing low income people that they can afford cars that they can't, so when they get to the balloon payment at the end, they have to give the car back, and then they are trapped with nothing, and the dealer can entice them into something else insanely profitable for the dealer. When we were purchasing my partners Mini the finance manager fully admitted afterwards that it was a way to trap people, we spent £13k on a Mini Cooper S, 8 down and 5 on finance or something (cant remember now) and the new Mini had just been released, the amount of sales pressure not to go second hand and use that £8k to get a "brand new one! OMG WOW, CHEAP FINANCE AND SWAP IT FOR ANOTHER NEW ONE IN 3 YEARS TIME!" was ridiculous.

It's not like they're lying about anything though is it? If people get sucked in by sales tactics then that's surely their own fault for not taking the time to consider the situation? The figures are there for all to see, it doesn't take a genius to work out that it probably isn't the best way to go. It's a pretty basic rule that anything a salesman is heavily pressurising you into buying is unlikely to be the deal of the century otherwise they wouldn't need to use any pressure at all and if people don't understand that then I can't say I have a huge amount of sympathy for them.
 
About £1660/month - I got a rate of 7.9%

7.9% seems a lot, that's their used financing interest rate I guess. I've been there and done that.

But you obviously have the money so...haters gonna hate and all that.

Finance works for a lot of people. It's only people on Ocuk living in the 1970s who don't know how finance works. It's not rocket science.

Paying cash for the full amount is always the most cost effective way. But on cars like this costing a lot of money then it makes sense to finance part of it.
 
If your savvy enough to earn 10% on your cash you are savvy enough to find a better deal on borrowing than 7.9% APR!

Also surely if there is a balloon then you have a PCP not HP?
 
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The way I see it... I will make more money from investments with that £62k in my account making me money in trading than I would benefit from paying it all off in that term / risk associated with it / etc.

Relatively low risk algorithmic trading has a return rate of approx 10%/month... more you have there, the more you make.

Hmm...

Contract came to an end... couldn't get another job... had to leave or couldn't eat - been chasing for unemployment support from Switz since March last year
 
7.9% seems a lot, that's their used financing interest rate I guess. I've been there and done that.

But you obviously have the money so...haters gonna hate and all that.

Finance works for a lot of people. It's only people on Ocuk living in the 1970s who don't know how finance works. It's not rocket science.

Paying cash for the full amount is always the most cost effective way. But on cars like this costing a lot of money then it makes sense to finance part of it.

It depends on what you're doing with your money - I'd rather keep it in investments than put more in the car... the 7.9% that's going to the finance company is a lot less than the return I'm getting on the cash.

If your savvy enough to earn 10% on your cash you are savvy enough to find a better deal on borrowing than 7.9% APR!

Also surely if there is a balloon then you have a PCP not HP?

I was very happy with 7.9%... especially after missing multiple payments on the Boxster... it's actually better than the rate I had on the Boxster.

It probably helped that I was able to pay the remaining amount in full. My rating is in the low 700s, so showing as "good" rather than "excellent" which would get the better rates.

You would probably be surprised with how easy it is to earn 10%/month... I was... I thought it would be a big risk - but after seeing a friend's portfolio who's been doing it a while - I went in with the same company he's been using, their algorithm has proved very reliable and this return is on a low risk basis - you can earn a hell of a lot more if you take more risk - but I'm keeping safe and letting their algorithm do all the work.

I'm learning how the markets work and have been given access to all their data - so looking at building my own more aggressive algorithm to play with - in the near future I'm going to take a percentage of my money and see what I can do on my own... trials so far have been positive - I'm aiming for outright house purchase in 5 years which seems doable even on the current model. Still know there's risk though, so I'm starting to distribute the return and set it aside... but this is an addition to employment income. I'm hoping to live off trading alone in a few years.

I'm a mathematician at heart and particularly good at statistics - so not worried about the math involved.

Take an amount you're not scared of losing and try it for yourself. It's easy to lose money quickly if you're not careful, but be careful and the reward can be wonderful.

No - it's HP + balloon... same style we're getting on the Caterham - it's Caterham where I learnt about that style.

It is quite similar to PCP.


It wasn't long after that post I got the notice I won my appeal and the payment... 70% of a Swiss contractor rate backdated for about 8 months is a nice sum of money :)

That paid off the debt on the Boxster and the rest was able to go into trading as I had secured a decent contract.

Contractor lifestyle m8.

If was raking in £500 day rate then I'd be driving round in a Porsche as well. :p

Yup... I found it a nightmare to land another in Switz - but back here and I found a reliable client in 3 days.

500 a day is not enough to drive a GT3 :D

Yes it is... that's £10k a month... but I'm a senior with specialist knowledge & finance/phrama experience - so the rates tend to be in the £600-800/day range. I landed a 3 year 5 day a week contract after the 3 month trial period, which is what got me the finance approval. They only wanted 3 month payment history which is what I was able to provide... so I was chuffed... I was expecting to get rejected but went for it anyway.

If he works 5 days a week at that rate and he prioritises his car then it's probably doable I should think. You've got more experience with that sort car than I do though :)

Yup - I don't like spending much on rent, even with a decent expendable income - I don't like paying someone else's mortgage... I'd rather spend less now and put more towards my own house later. My house is only £1100/month.
 
My house is only £1100/month.

Love the choice of car crinkleshoes and it is great to see others doing well and enjoying life so congrats :D :cool: This quote above makes me sad as my mortgage is also £1100 a month or there abouts which is a bit more than a quarter of my monthly take home, even though I own more than 50% of it I still have around 20 years before I will own it outright :( To be able to pay it outright in 5 would need some serious changes to my life.

After having what I would consider a ludicrously expensive wedding last November I see no way for me to own a GT3 in the foreseeable future, If I am lucky I might be able to get into a gen2 997 or even a 991 but that wont be before the wife gets a new car so a GT3 just seems out of reach. I cant see me ever getting rid of the 996 and another car is a while off so I guess I will have to keep dreaming :)
 
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