Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

[Gibbo]

So regarding the previous comments relating to over revs...

Took my car (2005 C2S) in to get the warranty renewed and have been told can't get a warranty on it as it has over revs in range 3/4 and 5!

Now I admit to hitting the limiter on occasion but have never changed down into the incorrect gear or at unsuitable speeds. So I asked for the print out and the following is what it shows:
Total operating hours = 752hrs
Range 1: 2600 last hrs=737
Range 2: 260 last hrs=633
Range 3: 12 last hrs=251
Range 4: 1 last hrs=251
Range 5: 1 last hrs=251
Range 6: 0 last hrs=0hr

Its worth noting the car was bought from the same OPC ~ 4 years ago, it is 8 years old and had 16,000 miles on when I purchased it. It now has 30,000 miles on. Since I have had it it has only been serviced by that OPC.

So I think from the above I can categorically say that it had those over revs on before I purchased it. i.e. I probably took on ownership at 375 operating hours and these happened at 251 hrs.

The engine has been fine since I have had it but if I had known at the time that this car had these over revs, it could cause engine problems in the future or issues renewing warranty I would have looked elsewhere.
Is there anyway to get exact timestamps for these events?

How do you think I should proceed and what should I expect from the OPC.
I am going to be speaking to them tomorrow regarding it. When I come to sell I don't want these range 3/4/5 over revs to cause an issue.

Cheers,

Ask your OPC to put your case to Germany as having 1 ignition in both 4 and 5 is mathematically impossible, 4 should have more than one, so it's a glitch.

Range 3 they will want to inspect your filter for swarf/debris and do a compression check, which should be fine.

But like you say the hours would suggest it happened before or around your purchase, maybe someone test driving car previous to you. They will have VAL records online ask them to go through them and if they have a VAL from when they prepped the car for you and check the rev ranges on that VAL.

My car has had an issue where the ECU has gone screwy on operating hours, jumped massively, OPC don't know how to help, but it's damn annoying but at same time I'm not re-newing warranty as I want to mod, exhaust, remap, race seats, sticky rubber etc.

 

[oneilldo]

Dr House - Thanks, I imagine that is the likely outcome but I have only briefly spoken to them. Apparently they also spotted it prior to the warrenty renewal last year but still put it on without letting me know.

Gibbo - I had read other threads on pistonheads and they also pointed to a single ignition as showing in both 4/5 or 3/4 and 5 as impossible so its good to get further confirmation. I'll ask about the VAL records, hopefully that will prove it was before they sold the car to me. The range 3 ones also look to be before I purchased it and prior to two major services so would they still need to check the filter or would that have been replaced.

 

[Gibbo]

Dr House - Thanks, I imagine that is the likely outcome but I have only briefly spoken to them. Apparently they also spotted it prior to the warrenty renewal last year but still put it on without letting me know.

Gibbo - I had read other threads on pistonheads and they also pointed to a single ignition as showing in both 4/5 or 3/4 and 5 as impossible so its good to get further confirmation. I'll ask about the VAL records, hopefully that will prove it was before they sold the car to me. The range 3 ones also look to be before I purchased it and prior to two major services so would they still need to check the filter or would that have been replaced.

Yeah range 3 is fine but Porsche new rules mean they are now stricter. Fact is I know people with their rev limit increased to nearly 8000rpm which means they have lots of range 3 ignitions, obviously no warranty but they seem to ave no engine issues. Though common sense says an engine revving to 8000rpm often won't last as long as same engine only revving to 7000rpm, as revs equal wear. The main killer of these engines is bore scoring and IMS, you can prevent bore scoring by not loading the engine with torque, so don't floor it in 5th or 6th at 30mph not good at all, change up at 3000rpm minimum and use gears.

Porsche 20k miles service interval s crazy, change every 6-10k instead as 20k is just asking for disaster.

 

[Housey]

If the car was bought with those on it and via an OPC I'd make it Porsches issue.

 

[oneilldo]

I will see what they say today. The way I figure it is they were definitely on it when I bought it. If I had known it could cause issues with warranty in the future then I wouldn't have purchased it.

Previous to this I have never had any problems with them so I am hoping/expecting them to foot the bill for the compression test etc if required.

 

[Gibbo]

I will see what they say today. The way I figure it is they were definitely on it when I bought it. If I had known it could cause issues with warranty in the future then I wouldn't have purchased it.

Previous to this I have never had any problems with them so I am hoping/expecting them to foot the bill for the compression test etc if required.

Just say to them you feel that they sold you the car with this information present and request they check the VAL's to confirm, as they hold them on record.

Then also tell them its mathematically impossible to have 1 ignition in both range 4 and 5, meaning you only have over-revs in range3 which were present when you purchased the vehicle. As such they should have no need to reject placing warranty on the car or even wanting to do filter/compression test at your expense.

Just be polite and give the impression you know understand how the above works so they can't fob you off, which hopefully they won't try doing as they should want your money for warranty and then hope that you make claims as the OPC gets paid for any such work.

 

[Peerzy]

When my car was traded into an OPC it went to Reading to have a bit of work done before it appeared in the showroom and one of the bits of prep they do is this rev range check. When I bought the car I asked for a copy and they provided. I'd contact the OPC you bought the car from and your local prep centre (mine is Reading) as they may well have the rev range readout from 4 years ago and then you can see if it was there when you bought it.

I had 1 in range 3 when I purchased the car 2 years ago and still have 1 in range 3 (checked a week ago when the car was in for a service).

 

[oneilldo]

Cheers Peerzy. Fortunately I bought the car from the same OPC so they are going to do some digging. Should hopefully hear back today.

 

[Dr House]

You know every time I see a Maserati GranTurismo I wonder to my self if I did the right thing buying the 911 again. The 4.7 has fallen under £50k so maybe just maybe that will be my next car.

 

[oneilldo]

Well I have heard back from OPC.

Bit of a background, car is an 05 997 C2S, so 8 years old just gone through its 2nd major service without many issues.

Few weeks later I look to renew warranty and the car needs a bit more work to pass the 111 point check, apparently porsche are now pickier with the 111 point check/allowing extended warrenties.

Corrosion to the gas damper strut on both sides of the suspension
rear bump stops have split which will need to be replaced.
Replacement of the above inc labour ~£1900

Cylinder leakage and compression test ~£700
The results of the test will be sent to porsche to confirm whether a warranty can be applied
As these over revs were from before I owned the car might be some movement on this cost.

The problems with the damper struts weren't spotted during the major service, haven't really noticed a problem with the suspension.

How much would a new engine and labour be if the worst was to happen?

Not really sure how best to proceed.
1. Sack off warranty completely and take the risk (replace corroded gas damper struts in a year or so)
2. Get them to do the cylinder leakage test first and send results to porsche (might be less movement on the cost if not getting the other work done at the same time).

I need to find out what happens if the compression test finds some problem. The test is only required due to over revs before I purchased the car.

 

[Andy Pandy]

My Boxster has passed it's mot today but Porsche wouldn't let me have a porsche loan car due to my age..(22) Even though they've given me one before when I had some warranty work done. They let me have a Mercedes though. How is Porsche with you Perzzy with loan cars?

 

[Peerzy]

My Boxster has passed it's mot today but Porsche wouldn't let me have a porsche loan car due to my age..(22) Even though they've given me one before when I had some warranty work done. They let me have a Mercedes though. How is Porsche with you Perzzy with loan cars?

The first time I needed a car they said everything was fine and when I turned up to pick it up they had issues as I was 21 at the time. They ended up phoning up my insurer and paying £75 to add the courtesy car (3 month old Boxster S) to my policy for a week (I only had the car for like 2 days).

Anytime since then I've been 22 or 23 and they've offered me the choice of a Boxster S (saying their insurance will not cover me on anything else) or a VW of some sort. I've taken the Boxster S again once, a lift in a VW Passat once and not needed anything once.

As with any garage I would never expect a courtesy car unless I've pre-booked one so if I do need anything I always mention it and mention my age but since the original issue they've been fine.

What are the details of your car?

 

[Andy Pandy]

I had my car books in weeks in advance and they said I would be in a 2013 Boxster S today, they rang yesterday to give me the details of the car incase I wanted to insure it myself but I chose to go with them as Admiral wanted £50. When I got there today they said due to my age they cant insure me on a car.. I was confused because they had given me a Boxster loan car just 4 months ago.

In the end they gave me one of the salesman's Mercedes AMG C class thing and away I went.

My car is a 2009 Boxster S. Its PDK with Sport seats, Sports Chrono and quite a few other options. The only options I wish it had is a PSE and the Sports Steering wheel with flappy paddles. I absolutely love my car and drive it all the time . It passed its MOT and Health Check today with no advisories so I'm all good for another year and 3 months before I need to renew the warranty

 

[Peerzy]

I had my car books in weeks in advance and they said I would be in a 2013 Boxster S today, they rang yesterday to give me the details of the car incase I wanted to insure it myself but I chose to go with them as Admiral wanted £50. When I got there today they said due to my age they cant insure me on a car.. I was confused because they had given me a Boxster loan car just 4 months ago.

In the end they gave me one of the salesman's Mercedes AMG C class thing and away I went.

My car is a 2009 Boxster S. Its PDK with Sport seats, Sports Chrono and quite a few other options. The only options I wish it had is a PSE and the Sports Steering wheel with flappy paddles. I absolutely love my car and drive it all the time . It passed its MOT and Health Check today with no advisories so I'm all good for another year and 3 months before I need to renew the warranty

Sounds like a cracking car.

I wouldn't mind a Merc C Class AMG personally, I've driven a few different 987's and the new Boxster so I'd be equally as happy to be given the keys to anything equally as epic (M3, AMG C Class, RS5 etc....). I'm surprised they gave you a Merc though. All of the guys who work at my OPC get an Audi (A1 or A3) or VW Golf R as company car and they hand out the Golf R's as loan cars to people who request something bigger than a Boxster and they don't have a Cayenne.

As far as I know Merc have no involvement with Porsche in anyway.

Mine now has a warranty for 2 more years, I know my tyres and brakes are fine and it's got it's MOT on Monday which it should pass without issue. My aim is to keep the car until this time next year, MOT it and then sell. As happy as I am with the car I do like to change and try different things and I'm at the point now where I feel like I've done the small Porsche convertible now and could happily move it on without any tears.

I may end up deciding to sell sooner if something takes my fancy, I would still take a Mustang over anything but insurance is still an issue, I'd like a 911 but personally would see a 997 as a slight side step considering it's the same generation as my Boxtser, same interior etc... (ignoring obviously the epic Turbo and GT versions), a 991 911 is out of my budget but there are plenty of other cars I'd happily try out for a year or so before getting a Mustang.

 

[Gibbo]

Well I have heard back from OPC.

Bit of a background, car is an 05 997 C2S, so 8 years old just gone through its 2nd major service without many issues.

Few weeks later I look to renew warranty and the car needs a bit more work to pass the 111 point check, apparently porsche are now pickier with the 111 point check/allowing extended warrenties.

Corrosion to the gas damper strut on both sides of the suspension
rear bump stops have split which will need to be replaced.
Replacement of the above inc labour ~£1900

Cylinder leakage and compression test ~£700
The results of the test will be sent to porsche to confirm whether a warranty can be applied
As these over revs were from before I owned the car might be some movement on this cost.

The problems with the damper struts weren't spotted during the major service, haven't really noticed a problem with the suspension.

How much would a new engine and labour be if the worst was to happen?

Not really sure how best to proceed.
1. Sack off warranty completely and take the risk (replace corroded gas damper struts in a year or so)
2. Get them to do the cylinder leakage test first and send results to porsche (might be less movement on the cost if not getting the other work done at the same time).

I need to find out what happens if the compression test finds some problem. The test is only required due to over revs before I purchased the car.

So if they do give you a warranty after their testing you'll be 6k lighter, tell them where to go! Give Hartech a call, let them give the car a major service and inspection, about £650 and maybe opt onto their scheme.

 

[Gibbo]

I may end up deciding to sell sooner if something takes my fancy, I would still take a Mustang over anything but insurance is still an issue, I'd like a 911 but personally would see a 997 as a slight side step considering it's the same generation as my Boxtser, same interior etc... (ignoring obviously the epic Turbo and GT versions), a 991 911 is out of my budget but there are plenty of other cars I'd happily try out for a year or so before getting a Mustang.

I'd only consider a 911 a sidestep on looks from front and interior, but to drive it's a completely different animal and a much harder one to learn and because of that I feel more rewarding.

 

[Peerzy]

I'd only consider a 911 a sidestep on looks from front and interior, but to drive it's a completely different animal and a much harder one to learn and because of that I feel more rewarding.

Oh yeah, I understand the 911 is a totally different animal - but for me personally I don't see it as an option,

A 997 would be better than my car, but not £15k-£20k better I don't think.
A 991 would be miles better than my car and something I would really want, but I don't have £50k+ spare for one.
A 996 would be different to my car, not better and probably not worse but would come with increased running costs and no warranty - would not cost anything to change though.

Therefor I've pretty much ruled out a 911 as a next car.

 

[oneilldo]

So if they do give you a warranty after their testing you'll be 6k lighter, tell them where to go! Give Hartech a call, let them give the car a major service and inspection, about £650 and maybe opt onto their scheme.

Yeah it is a tad steep. Thing is I could still be ~£2500 down and they could then refuse a warranty which would be a right kick in the nads.

Hartech is only just over an hour away as well. I am tempted to just not bother with warranty of any sort but I know what will happen.

Do you know how much a replacement engine is including labour should the worst happen?

 

[Gibbo]

Air box has arrived, it's a work of art:-

So much carbon, not worth the 6k Porsche charge though....

 

[Dr House]

wow looks nice.

How much did that cost you? will it give you much more power or better sound?