Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

dlockers said:
Still tearing my hair out at potential cars to purchase. Is something like this really daft?

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I've ruled out 997 as I end up going into £40k territory too quickly, defeating the initial point of this search (save some cost, have some fun).

These are like £300 to insure for the year including biz. mileage...
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As someone who owned an early 996 - there be dragons.

For everyone you find who tells you they somehow manage to maintain it for £200 a year with a clean MOT, you'll find someone who with a comparable car and history is £4-5k deep every time they go to an independent.

Honestly, I think mid teens is 987 money all day long. If you spend sub £20k, on a 996, be prepared to spend whatever the gap is on its first service getting it up together. These cars are >25 years old now, so every time you touch something it will probably disintegrate along with any connecting items.

I now have a 2006 987.1 Cayman S, it's simply excellent. Mine is very well spec'd, but it's a brilliant car and a real step forward. If you can get into a 987.2 car you can make your search for a good car easier due to the potential engine challenges.

I've done quite a few little things to mine now, it's absolutely superb. Swapping my PS4S tomorrow for Conti Sport Contact 7s, should be good.

If you have close to £40k, you could depreciation proof yourself and get a 987 Cayman R/Spyder
 
MrRockliffe said:
Test drove a 718 Boxster today. Base spec on 20 inch alloys, no extras.


Hard to admit this as a 6 cylinder fanatic, but it’s a better car in every way, including sound.
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I can imagine. I've only ever driven 6s 718s, GTS PDK, Manual GT4 and my GT4 PDK. I had planned to test a 3.0T GTS4 but I caved with the spec of my GT4. For the best as a local dude has pretty much the same spec I would have gone for.

Having come from low ratios and turbo to long ratios and NA, the manual GT4, to me, was a let down.

On the road, a 2.0 with a turbo is always going to give you that initial "hit" whereas the 6 NA will always be linear. OK for track and long winding roads, not so good for short straights and traffic.

Say Porsche made the GT4 with 2.0T as an option, I'd certainly try it before commiting to a 6NA. I do miss the turbo shove and coming from a Spec C Impreza (410hp and my Evo was 560hp) with silly low ratios, it shot you forward at a speed the NA6 in the GT4 couldn't immitate.

You have to be smooth and patient with the GT4. In the back of my mind (the bit where "facts" try their best to be ignored ;) ) I race RC and my favourite class is 4WD as you can be silly agressive, I'm not a huge fan of 2WD because you have to smooth on the throttle. I'm hoping I won't find the same with 1:1 cars. :)
 
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MrRockliffe said:
I don’t want the associated costs and increased risk of component failure due to increased wear.




Fun on the public highway comes from enjoyment while putting the safety of others first.


You can drive rapidly without driving excessively quick.


There are plenty of roads near me I can do this on, but on a 718 GTS, you don’t get to experience the joy of the engine as much as a base 718, hence my above post.


Equally, my 981 S is most alive at the top end of the rev range in 2nd gear, which you can seldom do.



Base car has a “grab it by the scruff of the neck” attitude which I loved.





I wouldn’t be as I know a lot of people who track theirs, but irrespective of how many there are, it isn’t going to be anywhere near equal to the number of people buying new ones.
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Tyres and oil are cheap for the amount of fun you can have compared to restraining yourself on the road. You can rip the top end of second, third, and possibly fourth on a lot of main straights on a decent track. Give her the full danglies on the turn-in; swing the rear out a little if you want to. Even have some friendly competition, or get left behind by someone's track weapon. It's always a great experience for me.

I can't find any evidence to back up your claim around track driving nor disprove it, but I agree it logically seems the case. Then again, lots of people buy Range Rovers and never venture beyond the school run and the supermarket. That says more about the buyers of the car rather than the car itself, does it not?

Alas, I can tell that I'm not going to change your mind. We simply have different requirements. It sounds like a 718 base is the car for you. Go buy one and post some pictures in this thread!!
 
The four pot boxsters and caymans never did well in sales, all due to the fact it didn’t have that Porsche six cylinder wail; it’s a primary reason they brought out the 4.0 GTS. Non of the turbo Porsches have that noise which is the reason I’ve never bought one tbh. Great in every other way, but incomplete, but it does make for a great entry into Porsche ownership. It’s going to be a shame when the 4.0 GT engine will be killed off by euro rules in a couple of years.

Really don’t understand the whole, can’t use the power on a public road. It’s bobbins and just confirmation bias tbh.
 
mikeh501 said:
Really don’t understand the whole, can’t use the power on a public road. It’s bobbins and just confirmation bias tbh.
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You can of course use it, but of course you cannot use it as long.


The enjoyment comes from the length of time you can really cane a car (legally). I can’t even hit the limiter legally in 2nd on my 981 S, so I’m not able to experience that intoxicating howl for very long.
 
mikeh501 said:
yeah get what your saying but non of that tells me the four pot sounds better… at any speed tbh. YMMV and I’m not saying it’s a bad car….. but buy the GTS if you can
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I know the GTS well, and hence I would not get one irrespective of whether I had the money. It’s a great car but it definitely isn’t worth twice as much over a base 718 or S.


I would sooner rather have a M340i and a base 718 over a single GTS or GT4



The 6 cylinders at their peak sound better by a country mile. But the point I’m making is that I can only hit their peak once or maybe twice legally on the public road



Hence, the 4 pot sounds better most of the time IMO, in that you’re able to enjoy the sound more often.



My 981 S is known for being one of the best sounding cars, but it doesn’t really make any sound below 4500 RPM from inside the car. When I’m driving it sedately, I genuinely wouldn’t know if it was a 4 cylinder or 6. The engine relies on induction induced resonance for that iconic sound, which only occurs high in the RPM :)
 
I think honestly there are very few remotely modern porsche that you can nail within an inch of their lives and stay legal. I know I can't in my 987 Cayman S.

What I would say, is that you can be closer to their limits on the road at more sensible speeds. The really modern stuff is so outrageously capable you don't have to work as hard to go fast.

For me the enjoyment comes from having to work hard to extract the performance.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
I have a separate thread that I have been asking for recommendations but I want to get a bit more specialist Porsche knowledge, does this seem suspiciously cheap or just a good deal https://www.a40motors.com/used/cars/porsche-718-cayman-20t-pdk-euro-6-ss-2dr-10763/ ?
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Doesn’t seem either really.


Average deal as it’s a base spec car with few options.

No PDLS (only 25w Xenon), no Bose, no PASM


Looks like a modified exhaust as I’m sure the tips aren’t that large usually.


Probably still be higher rate tax too.
 
MrRockliffe said:
Doesn’t seem either really.


Average deal as it’s a base spec car with few options.

No PDLS (only 25w Xenon), no Bose, no PASM


Looks like a modified exhaust as I’m sure the tips aren’t that large usually.


Probably still be higher rate tax too.
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Appreciate the reply, so those specs are what I should be looking for. Cheers
EddScott said:
At £30K budget, would it not be "better" go for a 981?

Purely from a more for your money POV - better spec etc.
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I am not sure ha, looks like any 981 in this price range will be a lot older.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
Appreciate the reply, so those specs are what I should be looking for. Cheers
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Based on my ownership of a 981 S, and having driven some 718s, I’d say I would want:

18 inch alloys on a passive setup, maybe 19s
No chrono
Bose
PDLS
Sport seat plus 2 way or 18 way
Sports exhaust
Folding mirrors
Auto dimming mirrors


I think anything else is a bonus
 
My Boxster is sold pending collection, and I won’t be replacing it with another Porsche for 12-18 months, as I’ve been made redundant.


Will be gutted to see it go, but I had intended to swap it for a manual anyway.
 
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