Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

What's the consensus view on OE parts quality wise?

I'm having specialist after specialist tell me that Sebro actually manufacture the discs, and Textar actually manufacture the pads, that Porsche put a label on & resell for more money.

I've zero interest on putting on pattern parts to try & save money as I feel it can be a false economy, but if what I'm being told is actually true, & the parts are the same parts with a different label (but identical performance, noise, compound, dust etc), then it would seem sensible to consider them.

Am I being spun a line by specialists, or are OE parts worthwhile?
 
Yes, Gibbo took me out in it at a recent OcUK RR day. I was expecting the car to feel fast but not very torquey, especially after jumping out of my Evo. But the opposite was true, the pull was fantastic. Not turbo like, but instant and relentless from low revs. Something I could trade the Evo for, definitely.

Now I know my Evo doesn't have the power/torque of some of the cars you have had, but back then prior to my remap it was around 355/355 and no slouch, and somewhat lighter (1400KG wet weight IIRC) than other cars such as what you've had. Gibbo and I had a little blast together and the 997 was pulling away ever so slightly while mine was still building boost. My mistake perhaps, but never-the-less I left that day completely in awe of the 997. For me the 911 has been a dream car since I knew what cars were which I guess added to that feeling. Go and drive one is the best thing I could advise, or arrange to meet Gibbo as I'm sure he wouldn't mind taking you out for a p-ride.

The thing that frustrates me about turbo cars if that on the road they can be very on/off whereas in NA you can control how far you want to go by means of right foot. Not really sure how to describe this but I find the Evo difficult to drive at part throttle, it has to be all or nothing, something which I couldn't say about any of the more capable Type R's I've owned. This is why I am looking forward to driving a Cayman, as I think it will be more rewarding at lower, safer and perhaps more legal speeds. Whether I can trade this feel for the lack of straight line pace I don't know, but I need to drive one so I can see for myself.
 
Chris & Butcher

I shall write in more detail at somepoint how the 911 makes me feel, having a manic day at work and as Chris says I am happy to meet up and take you out in the 911, no issue whatsoever. :)

Shall reply later or tonight with exactly what I've done to my 911 and just the way it feels in comparison to other cars which in my view is what gives Porsches the edges over all other sport cars, except stuff from Ferrari, but they cost 3x more to buy and run.
 
Hi there

Guys a little more time now.

For me what makes the 911 in particular stand out from any other car I've driven / owned is by far communication and feedback the car gives.

A perfect example is this was a recent trackday I did with an aquaintence in an EVO 8 FQ-400, we'd previously done a track day together in the dry and to be frank the 911 was faster everywhere bar acceleration between 50-90mph. Under braking, corner entry, mid corner and corner exit the 911 was carrying more speed. It was only at full acceleration at speeds between 50-90mph where the EVO would pull 1-2 car lengths, but beyond 100mph the 911 quickly re-gained those 1-2 car lengths and passed, into three digits the 911 was simply much quicker. Overall the 911 was a good few seconds per lap faster, enough that in the dry once I was past, it did not take long for me to disappear.

We then went to Donnington again, I took a gamble of going on my semi slicks hoping the weather would remain dry, it did not, the heavens opened and my 2-3mm Michelin cups were not the right choice maybe. So I expected him to destroy me, but to our surprise it was not the case. Of course this time there was not much in it, the only real place I was quite a bit quicker was under braking again, anyone who has owned a 911 will know that there is no car better under-braking, as you can brake so late and hard with no stability issues (in a straight line) due to the rear engine layout. But even corner speeds I had a marginal edge, corner exit the EVO had an advantage being AWD. But again once I was past I was pulling away slowly and by 2-3 laps I had pulled the pit straight full length.

The difference was, I was tired, sweating and concentrating like crazy, but the 911 communicated the grip levels to me beautifully, to a point where I could drive the car right upto the grip limit, if I'd have gone marginally quicker, I'd have run wide, maybe spun etc. The 911 just gives you the communication and confidence to drive to that limit, keep it smooth and it just comes together but it takes a lot of concentration and effort on the drivers part, the engagement is truly superb. Whereas in the EVO it was just well so much easier, to do and the grip levels could not be felt, simply drive too them and beyond as it won't bite you so bad anyway.

For me this is what makes the 911 so much win, because the steering, feedback and communication from the chassis is second to none, plus the car is very rewarding and even scary at times when just driving at 7/8 tenths, its a lot of fun. Whereas many other cars have to be driven much harder/faster to get close to the same level of enjoyment. I am not good enough to push the 911 past 9 tenths, but of course they are superb right on the limit too but take a huge amount of skill to keep on the black stuff at that point.

This is why I love the 911, I am always coming back for more and it is why I am still keeping held on to it, because it is so damn good at everything, road, track, dry, wet it can do it all to an exceptional level whilst being completely awe-inspiring. No other car has kept me so hooked.

The downsides are running cost, potential problems from the engine, throttle response could be better, but this is why I rate a 911 over a Cayman/Boxster, because the 911 is the faster car, even when power is similar, the difference is most can drive a Cayman at 9/10 tenths because its an easier better balanced car. The 911 is a lot more challenging, but those who have the skill can pedal them quicker than a Cayman etc. as the chassis setup from the 911 can simply provide more grip, resulting in more corner speed.

Having a stripped M3 and it does make me wonder how amazing a stripped Carrera would be, I can only imagine my Carrera S 150kg lighter with a bit more power, it would be absolutely mind boggling good, but at the same time would also ruin and de-value a very expensive car, trust me I nearly did it and then I came to my senses and stopped having stupid thoughts.

Everyone should aim to own a 911 at somepoint, it is just a shame Porsche reliability record on the older 996/997's is not great, which is a shame because most will tell you that the 997.2's and onwards lost a little something, especially on the Carreras. Of course the bonus is the 997.2's have much better engines finally.

The M3 is an awesome track weapon, well once it is finished, but dry use only, it won't be bad in the wet when its done, but it will never have the 911's ability or an EVO's in wet conditions, that's just an M3 for you. Neither will an M3 ever be as communitive or engaging, especially on the road. The M3 I have to drive much quicker on the road to get the same enjoyment, unless of course its wet, then I can simply go round roundabouts at 20mph sideways. ;)

One other thing the 911 has as do most Porsches, is the soundtrack, it is so mechanical and awesome inside the cabin, it really is, to those on the outside its not the best, but inside, simply awesome. For a truly involving driving experience which is utterly fantastic I am yet to find a car which comes close, yes there are faster cars, better sounding cars but as a driving experience and a car which can handle all weathers and be used daily, I don't know a better sports car. :)
 
Something else I absolutely love, just driving home tonight in the wet and being able to drive upto the limits of grip on the road and get it sideways and tail wagging without over cooking it too much but just enough to play. The fact that Porsche traction systems just seem way ahead of those found in other cars, because the system in sports mode really does let you play and get some pretty nice angles and wheel slip with zero interaction from the safety systems. When you do over step the mark it is there to assist, but the stability system is superb as you can play but no it's there for when you run out of talent when playing.

It really is something amazing to drive, because I was able to drive home within speed limits more or less ;) and have such huge fun and challenging drive without need for silly speeds, one finds it hard to put in words how good a 911 feels, especially an NA RWD model, those who've owned them I'm sure know what I mean, especially if you like real driving and having fun. :)
 
Excellent posts Gibbo, a true insight letting non-Porsche owners step inside the car.
Really interesting to hear your thoughts, I do believe Porsche focus on the driving experience before anything else.
Glad to hear you're holding on to it too, though I can see you with a Gen2 GT3 in the future, a stripped out C2S that you were thinking about is heading that direction......
 
Excellent posts Gibbo, a true insight letting non-Porsche owners step inside the car.
Really interesting to hear your thoughts, I do believe Porsche focus on the driving experience before anything else.
Glad to hear you're holding on to it too, though I can see you with a Gen2 GT3 in the future, a stripped out C2S that you were thinking about is heading that direction......

If I won a few hundred thousand I'd strip my 911, bucket seats, harnesses, carbon roof, light wheels, engine re-built with uprated everything with high redline with say circa 450BHP NA, fit a diff, Ohlins suspension, you get the idea, end up around 1150kg-1200kg and then buy a gen2 GT2 for the road. :D
 
Your enthusiasm is infectious. What you've posted has convinced me to try a 997 C2 before I decide anything. :)

With the Boxster I've read people complain of a relative lack of torque compared to the Boxster S. Noting your previous points re missing torquey engines, I wonder if the same is true with the C2 vs C2S?

I preferred the manual Cayman S to the PDK 997 C2S I drove, & while part of that was a dislike for the gearbox, it was also much to do with the balance.

Everything feels faster with the top down... :D Maybe worth adding a Boxster S & Cayman S to the list of things to try? Neither will offer the challenge of the iconic 911, but I reckon I'd have a newer Boxster/Cayman over a 911 personally.
 
Nice spec, but selling up & putting in another ~£10k (?) for sports seats (which are lovely), Sports Chrono & Sports Exhaust seems a bit much?

Yah its a lot of hassle but I love the sepc and its a year newer then my car. It may cost me as little as £5k to £6k to upgrade.

I will give it some thought.
 
Yah its a lot of hassle but I love the sepc and its a year newer then my car. It may cost me as little as £5k to £6k to upgrade.

I will give it some thought.

Would you swap your wheels over? The Sport Design wheels are far from unpleasant, but I prefer yours personally...

How long have you had yours now?

I can't see from the dash pic whether the sports exhaust is actually PSE? I thought PSE had the odd shaped tips? or was that just a Gen 1 thing?
 
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