Firstly I don’t expect anyone to take me seriously I try not to make forum posting too much of an importance in my life, and secondly it’s has nothing to do with not being bothered I just don’t believe that any of the political party’s are worth voting for. I don’t believe it makes any difference what so ever.
Tell me, who was he last government or politician that made a measurable difference to your life? Because all I see in here or speakers corner is people arguing constantly about how useless and worthless these political leaders are.
Always find it so sad that people don’t vote. Why you’d want to give yourself even less power than you regularly have is a mystery to me. Vote for the party you dislike the least. Apathy solves nothing.
Maybe. But I won’t be paying any extra into my mortgage until I have to renew, otherwise the banks will want to penalise me for being sensible. I’ll sit on it for the foreseeable future who knows what’s going to happen.
I know that wasn't aimed at me. I also know what I'm about to say will be derided by many on here. But I think the two political leaders who made a measurable difference in my lifetime were Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair. I don't necessarily agree with everything (or a lot of!) what either of them did. But they made a difference. To me they show the difference between being a manager and being a leader.Tell me, who was he last government or politician that made a measurable difference to your life? Because all I see in here or speakers corner is people arguing constantly about how useless and worthless these political leaders are.
As a rough estimate it's around 10%.
I guess my parents are another privileged example?Both were born in the early 50's, started work around 14 and could not afford to eat properly when me and my brother were growing up. My dad was a welder and never earned more than about 25k with overtime. My mum eventually worked late nights in a petrol station to help put food on the table. They suffered from paying the 15% interest rate on their small 2 bed house but had not overstretched like most people at the time so they did not lose it luckily. They are now retired and have just received their state pension and I think they have around 24k a year for the both of them, with any private pension. They are happy with that. They certainly did not have an easy ride in life and my dad has bad elbows and knee's from a manual job all his life.
You know what I did when I was younger? I saved money so I could buy a house. I didn't blow all my (low income) earnings on the nicer things in life or on expensive nights out and expect someone else to give me a handout when I was older.
I'd rather they put NI contributions up for everyone and finally create a proper NHS style social care system that has enough funding to prepare for the coming retirement crisis.
Those boomers you talk about are probably your parents and if not then your grandparents. Each person that votes for a party will vote for what generally aligns with their political view point and you guys will be no different, to make out you will be some martyr to the cause is laughable, you're just full of ****. It is certainly unfortunate how things have turned out for sure, and I do understand the issue Im outside of the boomers myself so havent benefited from a lot of the things they have so Im not naive of the issues. The reality is unless the boomers go out with a bang and blow all of their money/wealth, then you and your family will benefit from it in the end, its just been deferred for a bit.
Most parents I know try to amass as much wealth over a lifetime if they are able because they want to leave as large a legacy to their children
Tony Blair and his cronies had the brilliant idea to allow mass immigration - reduce the white population numbers and fill the housing at the same time!
Tony Blair and his cronies had the brilliant idea to allow mass immigration - reduce the white population numbers and fill the housing at the same time! Genius!
but you can't criticise any of that thats "racist".
I don't know the exact figures but i'd wager it's something in that area and I know of people who don't work indigeounous brits who get £2000 month in their pocket from benefits
they make up mental illness so they get higher rates and have kids the fraud going on is rifeThere's a benefit cap of £20,000 outside London, £23,000. This includes housing benefit.
How are the people you know getting £24,000 in their pocket?
Always find it so sad that people don’t vote. Why you’d want to give yourself even less power than you regularly have is a mystery to me. Vote for the party you dislike the least. Apathy solves nothing.
Thank you that’s how I feel.Generally voting for the party you dislike the least doesn't solve anything either - we need actual proper options for expressing your position if you aren't happy with the principle choices.
Personally I find it very hard to choose someone to vote for as I absolutely won't vote for any party, out of principle, that doesn't have a strong position on some key areas such as defence.
Always find it so sad that people don’t vote. Why you’d want to give yourself even less power than you regularly have is a mystery to me. Vote for the party you dislike the least. Apathy solves nothing.
^ while I empathise with the sentiment, I would still urge you to vote; even if it’s felt wasted on any of the candidates within your constituency due to majority bias; even if you simply spoil the ballot paper. You have at least demonstrated you wish to be part of the voting process albeit it not to support any of the available candidates.
So the most responsible position for me to take is not to vote. When politics evolves and politicians genuinely represent the voters in action rather than word, I will change. But that won’t happen for quite a while I fear.
I have been tempted not to. Its hard if you live in an area where one side has a 40,000 majority or something similar. My local constituency, where Mr Rishi Sunak is the local MO, is the 5th safest Tory seat in the country. Unless the local MP had done something personally wrong like it came out he was a pedo or something, anybidy vote against him isnt going to do anything. Even if everybody who didnt vote at all, all voted against him he would still win his seat.
So yeah i can see why some people see that voting is a waste of time. Afterall there only 50 seats in this country which decides who is going to be in Government and around 100 which decides by how big of a majority they have. The rest are just tick boxes for either side.
We need PR in this country.
15 million odd people didn't vote in the last election. That could've easily changed the result.
We had a referendum on PR not that many years ago, problem was people were too stupid to understand it and now they moan about how broken the system is!