Possible new tax for over-40s to pay for social care

Nail on head has been hit. The last thing I want to do is give more of my money away. I’m not a big earner but neither do I feel poor. I take little from others and I live well within my means, it’s not and has never been my fault that the country is in this mess. I don’t even vote so the blame will never fall at my feet neither am I in debt other than my mortgage on my very modest home, of which I had to put down 30k as a deposit from which I saved, yet still have savings I can fall back on.

I’m going to be controversial and a little bit selfish but whomever voted for these and all the other muppets, you pick up the slack, because I have the worlds smallest violin to learn to master.

You want to keep your savings to around 10k and use the rest to pay your mortgage. That way if you lost your job you able to get unemployment benefits and the interest on your mortgage paid, while still having money in the bank.
 
You want to keep your savings to around 10k and use the rest to pay your mortgage. That way if you lost your job you able to get unemployment benefits and the interest on your mortgage paid, while still having money in the bank.
Maybe. But I won’t be paying any extra into my mortgage until I have to renew, otherwise the banks will want to penalise me for being sensible. I’ll sit on it for the foreseeable future who knows what’s going to happen.
 
How so, he only had 1 vote?

Because in a first-past-the-post system such as ours, each person who chooses not to vote makes 1 less vote required for a majority to be achieved.

Every vote not taken, is a vote for whichever party wins, but with 0 choice in the outcome.

I don’t even vote so the blame will never fall at my feet.

See above... if you didn't vote, then you supported Boris's majority by failing to provide a vote against it. Every time you have chosen not to vote, you have unknowingly supported whichever party won.
 
Because in a first-past-the-post system such as ours, each person who chooses not to vote makes 1 less vote required for a majority to be achieved.

Every vote not taken, is a vote for whichever party wins, but with 0 choice in the outcome.



See above... if you didn't vote, then you supported Boris's majority by failing to provide a vote against it
So me and him together is 2 votes, how would those 2 extra votes have kept the tories out?

edit: our tory mp won by a lots of votes, if I had voted against him 15,000 times......he still would have won
 
So me and him together is 2 votes, how would those 2 extra votes have kept the tories out?

In just this 1 thread, on this tiny little forum in the ocean of the internet and already there is 2 of you.

Multiply that by thousands.. tens of thousands.. Get the idea now?

In a first-past-the-post system that only has 2 primary parties, any time you chose not to vote, you make it 1 vote easier to secure a majority.

It is simple math. It is also why it is so important that everyone who is eligible to vote, should vote.
 
In just this 1 thread, on this tiny little forum in the ocean of the internet and already there is 2 of you.

Multiply that by thousands.. tens of thousands.. Get the idea now?

In a first-past-the-post system that only has 2 primary parties, any time you chose not to vote, you make it 1 vote easier to secure a majority.

It is simple math. It is also why it is so important that everyone who is eligible to vote, should vote.
But I only control me, unless you advocate I try and encourage others to vote with me, er no thx Jeff. Explain how my 1 vote would change things where I live? As I edited, our MP won by well over 15,000 votes
 
So me and him together is 2 votes, how would those 2 extra votes have kept the tories out?

edit: our tory mp won by a lots of votes, if I had voted against him 15,000 times......he still would have won

Imagine if the only reason he won is because 14,999 other people thought like you?

It is the nature of the system, if you do not vote, your voice is not heard, but you are still subject to the outcome.

I thought with all the Brexit / sovereignty nonsense people would be more concerned about being subject to laws, taxes and rules made up by people whom they didn't elect?
 
Multiply that by thousands.. tens of thousands.. Get the idea now?

You're fighting a losing battle. None of these see the bigger picture, which usually ends up with a large proportion having no say. Brexit vote for example. We had almost equal chunks of the poll for remain/leave/no voters.
 
Imagine if the only reason he won is because 14,999 other people thought like you?

It is the nature of the system, if you do not vote, your voice is not heard, but you are still subject to the outcome.

I thought with all the Brexit / sovereignty nonsense people would be more concerned about being subject to laws, taxes and rules made up by people whom they didn't elect?
You are exactly right, I do not like your politics but on this you are correct. Everyone should vote in every election. Even in a safe seat that has not changed for decades there will come a time. I am posting from what was a safe labour seat for decades for Gwyneth Dunwoody, a fine politician then in 2010 Conservatives took it then Labour in 2017 by 40 votes, then back to Conservative.

I have lived in numerous constituencies and have voted in every GE since 1974 excluding 1979 when I was working abroad but then I am a boomer allegedly.
 
You are exactly right, I do not like your politics but on this you are correct. Everyone should vote in every election. Even in a safe seat that has not changed for decades there will come a time. I am posting from what was a safe labour seat for decades for Gwyneth Dunwoody, a fine politician then in 2010 Conservatives took it then Labour in 2017 by 40 votes, then back to Conservative.

I have lived in numerous constituencies and have voted in every GE since 1974 excluding 1979 when I was working abroad but then I am a boomer allegedly.
I personally think the voting system needs changing. I feel that votes should be for a party rather than a local mo as you might want to vote for a party with no mp in your area. As a 35 year old this wouldn't affect me, however it would my parents although both my set of grandparents lived in their own houses and didn't end up in a 'home' so should all of them have to pay? I see it as fair at the moment where if you go into a home and have more than a certain amount of wealth, that pays for it.
 
I do not vote and I do not care what you think bout that. When the standard of politics improves I will re-evaluate otherwise I will continue not to vote.
 
I do not vote and I do not care what you think bout that. When the standard of politics improves I will re-evaluate otherwise I will continue not to vote.

As is your right.

Just don't expect anyone to take your opinion on it seriously when you can't even be bothered to take 1 hour out of your day every few years to try and improve the situation :rolleyes:
 
As is your right.

Just don't expect anyone to take your opinion on it seriously when you can't even be bothered to take 1 hour out of your day every few years to try and improve the situation :rolleyes:
Firstly I don’t expect anyone to take me seriously I try not to make forum posting too much of an importance in my life, and secondly it’s has nothing to do with not being bothered I just don’t believe that any of the political party’s are worth voting for. I don’t believe it makes any difference what so ever.

Tell me, who was he last government or politician that made a measurable difference to your life? Because all I see in here or speakers corner is people arguing constantly about how useless and worthless these political leaders are.
 
Because in a first-past-the-post system such as ours, each person who chooses not to vote makes 1 less vote required for a majority to be achieved.

Every vote not taken, is a vote for whichever party wins, but with 0 choice in the outcome.



See above... if you didn't vote, then you supported Boris's majority by failing to provide a vote against it. Every time you have chosen not to vote, you have unknowingly supported whichever party won.
First past the post is the exact Opposite of this millions of votes across our country are meaningless because some seats are so safe they will never change. If we had some form of PR you would have a point but we don’t.
 
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