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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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Tonester0011 said:
What does HBM supposed to do? Does it only increase the bandwidth, the thing we don't currently saturate.
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I think it might also help with power consumption too?? Not sure about that one.

However. funnily enough despite Hawaii having 40% more shaders than Tahiti,and the GK110 having 88% more shaders than the GK104,performance does scale that well. I do wonder if bandwidth considerations are an issue too???
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Yeah reduction in power consumption and big jump in bandwidth. All good things..

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That site had released accurate pre-release benchmarks in the past.

The thing is it for the R9 390X or R9 380X??
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Thinking the same, tbh if it's either card it's a good sign. Massive uplift in performance along with lower power use !

This is what we want to see, just hope these aren't to far away. The longer AMD take to launch, the more sales Nvidia get with the Maxwell pretenders :p
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Thats the thing if it is true,it does mean all those naysayers were being too artificially negative about AMD having any response.
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Obviously AMD will have a response, both company's always do. Nobody is doubting that AMD can and do make good GPU's. However timing is also important. If they take to long a lot of peeps will have already spent out and bought GTX 970 / 980.

AMD do release great products, but always seem to stumble on their execution. The worry here is that AMD could be about release a genuinely great card, in the interim Nvidia have raked up a ton of sales selling old rope 'More 28nm cards'. At a big profit.

When AMD do get their products out Nvidia can simply cut prices on 970 / 980 and release their higher end Maxwell stuff. Once again it would mean larger market share for Nvidia and more profit. Will have to see how this plays out..
 
flopper said:
Yes fun isnt it?

Those numbers are with an old API DX so 25/30% with DX and add Mantle and its gets really interesting.:D

Not sure how a Nvidia user would feel if AMD would release a new card using Mantle and beat it so much that every user would want to go back to the days of woodscrews, the land of fairy and imagination and lost in dreams, dont do drugs guys and dont buy what the CEO tells you is real.:p
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I'm planning on supporting the red team for my next few cards now. Gonna do my bit to support the underdog.

This 290X 8GB is a beast, and I genuinely like Mantle, it's great in BF4. My next card will be 390X. Hopefully Nvidia overprice the Titan X to give me less temptation to go back to the dark side :p

Hurry up and launch 390X plz AMD.

Go Pirate Islands !! >> http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
 
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GTX 980 = R9 380X
GM200 = R9 390X

So in those terms the GTX 980 is Nvidia's mid tier card, just priced higher as it still has high performance, and currently the fastest single GPU so can command a premium. AMD's 380X should knock GTX 980 down to a mid tier price level, which likely will be re-spun on 20nm and priced at mid range later on akin to GTX 980 > GTX 770.

So R9 390X will compete with GM200, and the cycle continues..
 
Lol, we can expect AMD to bring something decent, pretty confident in assuming that the R9 380X will rival the GTX 980, and 390X will be aimed squarely at GM200 probably the consumer variant and not the full compute monster that may be sold to the consumer as a gaming card ie Titan X.

AMD's new cards should knock down Nvidia's pricing so the stack should look like this when all have been launched.

???????? VS GM 200 w compute 'Tesla' 'Titan X' (Silly money)
R9 390X VS GM200 (Priced for enthusiasts)
R9 380X VS GTX 980 (Eventual Mid tier pricing)
R9 370X VS GTX 970
R9 360X VS GTX 960

Some are saying that AMD will skip 3XX series moniker and go with 4XX. Plus Nvidia cards could be renamed as well like GTX 680 became GTX 770. Forget the naming though it's the price VS performance that matters. That's why the GM204 although not the full Maxwell part can be priced higher because it's still the current fastest. AMD's new cards should cause a price re-adjust..
 
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28nm with HBM and AIO to cool wouldn't be all that bad. If it's better for AMD until they can transition to a new node.

Feel like holding fire on new GPU's until 2016, because by then we might actually get something really new, good enough to make a significant jump over what we have today. GPU space is in danger of becoming as boring as the CPU space :P

Roll on die shrinks and big performance jump !!
 
drunkenmaster said:
From this they decided to take that everything at 28nm will transition directly to finfet? In what world.. the ONLY way to take that specific sentence is some products will be 20nm and then to Finfet from there(being 20nm). You can't randomly decide they were talking about 28nm.

Such a crap website, it also says most products are 28nm because... they are, everything they have out now is 28nm, no where does it say everything going forward is 28nm, lots of new things on 28nm.

As an aside, Samsung appear to be shipping 14nm wafers in Q1 2015 and it's being suggested that GloFo are actually slightly ahead of them. There is no real hint of what is coming at the moment especially as for one thing there is more than one 20nm process, for a second thing, we might see a 14nm product before we see a 20nm product.

A cpu out say Q2 2015 might have needed to tape out in q3 13-q12 14 and it might only have been possible to work with 20nm then. A GPU out in Q2 2015 might have taped out in Q3 14, and being at least 6 months later may have taped out on 14nm finfet... yet could even launch before the CPU.

GloFo/Samsung look like they will beat TSMC to finfet, but did AMD know that 2 years ago when these products would have needed to pick one or the other?

Yields come in to it, 14nm might be shipping from January 2014, but while you might take a 100mm^2 arm chip, add 10mm^2 in redundancy and hit 40% yields and can make a viable product, a 400mm^2 gpu even with more redundancy built in might be sub 15% yields, maybe lower, and simply not be able to make a volume product nor a financially viable one.

At this stage I don't think 14nm/20nm availability will prevent new GPU's using them, more like yields(not great across the board with finfets at TSMC/Samsung by all accounts) making it not worth while.
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+1

Still no more the wiser if GPU's will come on 28nm / 20nm.

People just doing a lot of guess work, we won't really know until it happens :P

Sure we'll get some decent leak closer to launch.


flopper said:
or redesign of what the gpu should do on a given node.
die shrinks are slowing down and soon stops.
Unless they solve this like nand has done we are in for a tech slow down big time.
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Yeah things are def moving slower, we've been on 28nm now for what seems like a lifetime, current cards from past couple years are all within punching distance of each other. Upgrading every 2+ years seems to be the sensible thing to do. If only I could do that myself :P
 
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Ayahuasca said:
There's not a chance in hell you won't own a new GPU till 2016 boom. Soon as some new top end card lands you buy it :p
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I'm really going to try and resist.. If I can hold out until 2016 and get a card that offers 40%/50%+ more performance and maybe 4K monitor that'll be sweet.

Chances are I will buckle when 390X / Titan X launch :o but I would like to think I can resist ! :p
 
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JediFragger said:
Isn't 8gb a bit overkill@1440p m8?? Would have thought 4gb would have been plenty...

(says the man with 4gb cards and a 1440p monitor :p)
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Shadow of Mordor uses over 6GB @ ultra. Few other games are vram hoggers as well. Nice to have a bit left in the bank just in case.

The card itself is really nice, performance wise there's little in it for me in my experience with all the cards @ 1440p. The 980 is faster but the 290X isn't miles behind.
 
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JediFragger said:
Not great news if true (but it *is* Fudzilla). nVidia are gonna rack up a TON of sales between now and then;

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/36492-amd-next-gen-graphics-are-caribbean-islands
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I read that as, faster GCN Hawaii cards are coming soon to take on the 970 / 980 and then AMD will launch a new architecture in the summer 2015. That seems like a sensible approach from AMD imho.

There is normally a gap between launches from both camps, so this is per the norm.

The only disappointing thing is that it looks like 28nm could still be here right up until Summer time 2015.. This has been the longest on one node ever..
 
Orangey said:
So 8pack must have been on about this?

If it is to be made at GF, perhaps it will be on 28SHP or FDSOI. Improvements from a more refined process would stack nicely with a reworked Hawaii and easily beat 980.

Makes me wonder even more about Pirate. With this news the only real option would be 16FF+ unless GF magically pull something out of their arses.
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Yeah, GCN Hawaii 28nm with AIO, beast performance to take on 980 and still run cool. That's a good move imho.

At this point I don't care what node is next just want them to get on it as soon as possible !!
 
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