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Been checking this thread everyday and after having to go through the usual pages of off-topic GPU wars (which I quite enjoy reading), it seems there's still no new information. AMD hurry up please!
 
humbug said:
I don't know what you are talking about with "AMD are in retreat" looks like adolescent hyperbole.

The 290 is actually only about £20/£30 cheaper now than what it was when the 970 was launched.
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no the MSI lightning was about 450 to 500 quid back then :eek: and many of the others were miles more expensive too, you've just conveniently forgotten

in fact, the MSI wasn't even on sale here, it was on **** instead at that price.......... it is at about the right price now

thank God the GTX 970 came out when it did !!!!!!!!!!!!

i wouldn't mind switching back to AMD that's for sure, but deffo not if their next card looks like a 295X2, so ugly
 
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Mal X said:
no the MSI lightning was about 450 to 500 quid back then :eek: and many of the others were miles more expensive too, you've just conveniently forgotten

in fact, the MSI wasn't even on sale here, it was on **** instead at that price.......... it is at about the right price now
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The MSI lightning? The 980 Matrix Platinum is £600, the 980 Lightning will be even more when it comes out, those are the exception. not the rule.
 
Stanners said:
It is just the tiresome old DM rubbish. Heat and power don't matter unless it is in relation to his anti nvidia toxic rants.
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Heat and power don't matter MUCH, they are the least important factors.

Would you buy a card that used 50% less power if it cost 50% more for the same performance or cost the same but was 30% lower? The 480 GTX had all kinds of problems and power/heat were another in a long line of issues with the card. Had it been competitively priced I wouldn't have cared and neither would anyone else. Twice the price of a 5850, 6 months later, when a 5850 overclocked could beat it very easily.... not a very exciting card... it was ALSO hot and loud, but it was price, performance, timing that made it a useless card.

Titan Z, uses less power than a 295x2, is quiet enough, actually runs hotter than the 295x2 but not in a way that particularly matters. Why is no one buying it, why did AMD and Nvidia users alike mock it mercilessly, price. The price was ridiculous on it's own, the price for the given performance was abysmal, the card was a joke, even without having insane power, temp or noises it's a bad card...... it's almost like power/heat are the least important factors and performance and price are the biggest.

I said this at the time the 480gtx came out, every time this random ridiculous argument is brought up, and now. It is in fact the few Nvidia users that change their mind on when heat and power are important. Not least because the 980gtx offers basically nothing new in terms of performance, it's only positive factors which have moved forward are heat and power... it is Nvidia users who suddenly want to push them as the most important when they never have done before.
 
Heat is a big factor for me. I gamed through the Summer and found it massively intolerable on 3 Titans and even dropped down to just one for the lesser demanding games.

I am sure others don't care but some do and this would be a buying factor for me.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Heat and power don't matter MUCH, they are the least important factors.
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Yes they do, excess heat and power throttle GPU performance.

As to the GTX 480 if you added waterblocks at the time there was absolutely nothing AMD had which got close.

If you mention the cost of waterblocks remember that the 1gb per GPU 5970s were also excellent candidates for waterblocks as they could reach 100c or more when used in pairs lol.
 
I'm gonna say something I didn't think I ever would. I agree with DM to an extent. The 480 was late, hot and expensive, and it didn't have enough performance to outweigh those negatives. Power consumption and heat output are relevant, but only when comparing cards of similar performance and price (or if you plan on buying 4 of them like Kaap). 290s used to be expensive, but keep in mind that the prices were massively inflated by the mining gold rush that was happening. Nvidia cards were useless until the 750ti so they didn't see that massive price jump.

So he is making relevant points, and the 5850 was a great card (mine only did 950/1200 for 24/7 clocks and still does 5 years later). Just try to deny that it was epic value.
 
Devrij said:
I'm gonna say something I didn't think I ever would. I agree with DM to an extent. The 480 was late, hot and expensive, and it didn't have enough performance to outweigh those negatives. Power consumption and heat output are relevant, but only when comparing cards of similar performance and price (or if you plan on buying 4 of them like Kaap). 290s used to be expensive, but keep in mind that the prices were massively inflated by the mining gold rush that was happening. Nvidia cards were useless until the 750ti so they didn't see that massive price jump.

So he is making relevant points, and the 5850 was a great card (mine only did 950/1200 for 24/7 clocks and still does 5 years later). Just try to deny that it was epic value.
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What nvidia cards were useless upto the 750ti?
Are you referring to the 680/670?
 
Stanners said:
What nvidia cards were useless upto the 750ti?
Are you referring to the 680/670?
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I mean for mining cryptocurrency. There were plenty of good nvidia gpus prior to the 750ti, they were just terrible for mining scrypt. The 750ti was the first card that offered decent hashrates/watt, so most nvidia cards were left to gamers while AMD were all snatched up by miners and opportunists, causing the prices to skyrocket
 
Kaapstad said:
Yes they do, excess heat and power throttle GPU performance.

As to the GTX 480 if you added waterblocks at the time there was absolutely nothing AMD had which got close.

If you mention the cost of waterblocks remember that the 1gb per GPU 5970s were also excellent candidates for waterblocks as they could reach 100c or more when used in pairs lol.
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Not sure what your point is here, genuinely.

Effectively your post sums up to heat and power are crazy important.... but buy a waterblock and they don't effect you at all. So which is it heat and power are exceptionally important or ridiculously easy to negate the apparently massive problem, stick a waterblock on a card and power/heat isn't an issue at all? Suggests to me it wasn't a big deal in the first place.

As for having nothing that could touch it, 5850/70's overclocked like beasts as well and weren't far behind at stock in the first place, they were most certainly in the same ball park in performance and AMD had the 5970 out which spanked the 480 gtx silly, even a massively overclocked 480gtx got beaten and it cost around the same price.

2x 5850's cost less than a 480gtx and was significantly faster, etc. Price performance matter a hell of a lot more than power/heat which are minor factors.
 
Wait, wut, you do know that water is 25 times better at removing heat than air right?
Obviously if you water cool a gpu then heat can be negated, but as most people DONT watercool heat can be a massive issue for limiting performance

Clearly price/performance isnt the biggest factor, as sales figures show.
 
Mal X said:
i wouldn't mind switching back to AMD that's for sure, but deffo not if their next card looks like a 295X2, so ugly
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Who cares how it looks? If it had a fan cooler you'd be complaining it was too loud as the devil 13 version of the 295x2 is pretty loud, especially compared to the AIO version. Bottom line is outside of a waterblock the only way to properly cool the 295x2 is the way its done on the reference card. 2 cores that on single chip cards hit 94c barely breaking 70c is pretty good in my book.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Not sure what your point is here, genuinely.

Effectively your post sums up to heat and power are crazy important.... but buy a waterblock and they don't effect you at all. So which is it heat and power are exceptionally important or ridiculously easy to negate the apparently massive problem, stick a waterblock on a card and power/heat isn't an issue at all? Suggests to me it wasn't a big deal in the first place.

As for having nothing that could touch it, 5850/70's overclocked like beasts as well and weren't far behind at stock in the first place, they were most certainly in the same ball park in performance and AMD had the 5970 out which spanked the 480 gtx silly, even a massively overclocked 480gtx got beaten and it cost around the same price.

2x 5850's cost less than a 480gtx and was significantly faster, etc. Price performance matter a hell of a lot more than power/heat which are minor factors.
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I am surprised that you don't understand the importance of heat and power usage but what can I say.

As to the HD 5970 I am fully aware of their capabilities as I own a pair of them still. Their biggest problem is the amount of heat they produce which really holds their performance back.

Have you seen how a single HD 5970 compares to a pair of GTX 480s (2 v 2 GPUs) it is very one sided in favour of the NVidia cards and this is before we even think about waterblocks.:D
 
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