Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

[TNA]

Don't put words into my mouth
I said slightly disappointing

Hehe

Slightly disappointing compared to what exactly though? It all depends on how they are priced in the end.

I am confident these will be launched in Q1. If priced well I will buy for sure. If not I may just wait for 16nm next year. Price for performance is all I care about really

 

[Mal X]

Heat and power don't matter MUCH, they are the least important factors.

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rubbish they're pretty important ......... i.e i'm fine with mine in SLI, but the 290X MSI Lightning Crossfire would have required a bigger PSU....so this was 1000 quid for the cards plus another 160 quid for the PSU, no i dont think so because you're comparing 560 quid for SLI with 1160 quid for Crossfire

Heat is also critical.............i.e the 7990, there's no need to say anymore

but to be totally fair the one thing i really hate about SLI, is its really annoying habit of defaulting back to one card only, without you noticing.........so i'm deffo open to switching back, but only if AMD produce a card as good as mine that is also, MUCH MORE POWERFUL.

 

[mmj_uk]

Heat and power don't matter MUCH, they are the least important factors.

TO YOU.

To me they are a bigger factor than performance and price because when I'm sat by my computer for hours on end I'd much rather have less noise and not have to worry about temperatures than to have a few extra UNNOTICEABLE OUTSIDE BENCHMARKS frames per second.

There are a large number of people whose priorities are the same as mine, the fact that they are least important factors to you doesn't change that.

Would you buy a card that used 50% less power if it cost 50% more for the same performance or cost the same but was 30% lower?

If it meant being able to use the computer without being driven mad/deaf by noise and not having to worry about other components reaching their thermal limits due to excess heat from the GPU then yes.

 

[FoxEye]

To me, heat and power are certainly a consideration. I would be willing to trade some performance for a big leap in efficiency. But then I never buy high-end cards.

And like mmj said, noise is a huge factor. A noisy card is right out. I got rid of the XBox because I could't stand the noise it made Again, don't buy high-end cards so I don't normally suffer from noisy cards anyhow.

 

[McShave]

Really

What's the point in this thread?

It's just pages and pages of pointless rambling about AMD cards. If it's not about the 380x/390x can we not just remove it?

 

[~Mike~]

What's the point in this thread?

It's just pages and pages of pointless rambling about AMD cards. If it's not about the 380x/390x can we not just remove it?

Welcome to the wonderful and insightful graphics forum.

You will learn quickly enough how bad it is.

 

[Nutella33]

When more info/leaks comes out, no doubt it will be put here. might as well keep the guff about it in one thread until its actually released and we can have proper benchmarks.

 

[drunkenmaster]

TO YOU.

To me they are a bigger factor than performance and price because when I'm sat by my computer for hours on end I'd much rather have less noise and not have to worry about temperatures than to have a few extra UNNOTICEABLE OUTSIDE BENCHMARKS frames per second.

There are a large number of people whose priorities are the same as mine, the fact that they are least important factors to you doesn't change that.



If it meant being able to use the computer without being driven mad/deaf by noise and not having to worry about other components reaching their thermal limits due to excess heat from the GPU then yes.

Yes, but noise and heat don't matter much to you either apparently, because what you're talking about being a problem is NOISE. You can have a 50W card that runs at 40C and some idiot put a screaming fan on it and it be louder than a 500W card with good cooling on it.

You're talking about noise but calling it heat and power. The single most power hungry card available today, the 295x2, is also amongst the quietest AND coolest running. derp...

Even ignoring that, I can run my xfired 290's silently if I choose to set the fans to a max speed that is quiet, it's really very simple. a 290 set to a silent fan level is much faster than a 7970 set to a quiet fan mode or basically most other cards. Because the base performance of that card is such that it's performance at any sound level if significantly higher than that of lower end cards. if you want that performance level you buy that card and you can reduce clocks a bit if you want or whack clocks, voltage, heat and noise through the roof should you chose.

The range of performance from silent to ear bleeding is specific to a card. Silent on a 290x gives X performance and silent on a 7970 is much slower, and silent on a 750ti is much slower than both of those. Performance and price are by far the most important, always have been, always will be.

You can't change your per clock performance of a lower end card, but you can alter the power usage, heat, noise of ANY card you buy to suit whatever level you prefer.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I am surprised that you don't understand the importance of heat and power usage but what can I say.

As to the HD 5970 I am fully aware of their capabilities as I own a pair of them still. Their biggest problem is the amount of heat they produce which really holds their performance back.

Have you seen how a single HD 5970 compares to a pair of GTX 480s (2 v 2 GPUs) it is very one sided in favour of the NVidia cards and this is before we even think about waterblocks.

Again I'll point out the specifics you claimed they were hugely important before in the next sentence highlighting how higher power can be completely ignored in the reach for max clocks. Every card you get can go faster with better cooling and water cooling. You also just stated that a 480gtx could fly and was untouchable with watercooling...... thus..... the massive heat and power which only increased significantly when overclocked/volted, wasn't an issue?

You're saying power/heat are crucially important.... but stick a watercooler on it and pretty much doesn't matter. If power/heat were insanely important then the 480gtx would be a horrendous card because both were too high but you claim it was untouchable because it could overclock so far. It can't be awful because of too high power, and untouchably brilliant because you can make the increased power not remotely matter to overclocking or performance.

rubbish they're pretty important ......... i.e i'm fine with mine in SLI, but the 290X MSI Lightning Crossfire would have required a bigger PSU....so this was 1000 quid for the cards plus another 160 quid for the PSU, no i dont think so because you're comparing 560 quid for SLI with 1160 quid for Crossfire

Heat is also critical.............i.e the 7990, there's no need to say anymore

but to be totally fair the one thing i really hate about SLI, is its really annoying habit of defaulting back to one card only, without you noticing.........so i'm deffo open to switching back, but only if AMD produce a card as good as mine that is also, MUCH MORE POWERFUL.

That's all well and good except lets put a few things right, I didn't compare 560 sli to 1160 xfire. I maintain a stance on these forums that paying through the teeth for 3rd party cards is borderline retarded and have never and WILL NEVER recommend paying £500 for a custom card where a reference version could have been had for £250-300 price range.

So aside from comparing ridiculous pricing of an extremely overpriced no where near average priced card on one side to a cheapish Nvidia card, the idea that it required spending more on a new PSU is ridiculous. A 1000W gpu is ample for 2x 290x lightnings.

 

[Mal X]

When more info/leaks comes out, no doubt it will be put here. might as well keep the guff about it in one thread until its actually released and we can have proper benchmarks.

yea and then it'll be, ``this card isn't much better than the GTX 970, it's only about 10% quicker, bla bla bla bla bla bla....moan moan moan ``

 

[Kaapstad]

Again I'll point out the specifics you claimed they were hugely important before in the next sentence highlighting how higher power can be completely ignored in the reach for max clocks. Every card you get can go faster with better cooling and water cooling. You also just stated that a 480gtx could fly and was untouchable with watercooling...... thus..... the massive heat and power which only increased significantly when overclocked/volted, wasn't an issue?

You're saying power/heat are crucially important.... but stick a watercooler on it and pretty much doesn't matter. If power/heat were insanely important then the 480gtx would be a horrendous card because both were too high but you claim it was untouchable because it could overclock so far. It can't be awful because of too high power, and untouchably brilliant because you can make the increased power not remotely matter to overclocking or performance.

Your lack of knowledge on graphics cards surprises me

I think you should go and look up the amount of power both the GTX 480 and HD 5970 use and then you may want to rewrite your last post.

Yes there are two GPUs on the 5970 but all that heat is concentrated on one card.

You also realise that two HD 5970s in quadfire actually run hotter than three GTX 480s in 3 way SLI.

And AMD used to joke about Fermi, they are the ones who were the joke on that occassion.

 

[Mal X]

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That's all well and good except lets put a few things right, I didn't compare 560 sli to 1160 xfire. I maintain a stance on these forums that paying through the teeth for 3rd party cards is borderline retarded and have never and WILL NEVER recommend paying £500 for a custom card where a reference version could have been had for £250-300 price range.

So aside from comparing ridiculous pricing of an extremely overpriced no where near average priced card on one side to a cheapish Nvidia card, the idea that it required spending more on a new PSU is ridiculous. A 1000W gpu is ample for 2x 290x lightnings.

however you look at it back then the MSI Lightning and all the rest, were far more expensive than the GTX 970........we all complained about it and wondered why the hell AMD didn't lower their prices.........remember !!!..........so this ruled out Crossfire back then

the 295X2 is quiet and cool, well of course but only because it has a PIG UGLY radiator hanging off its side it also has very low FPS in certain games, so it deffo isn't 100% trustworthy, finally back then it cost a fortune, it's proper price should have been about 640 quid

no radiator on the 295X2 and it would have been another 7990 disaster, this is because AMD cant seem to design a decent cooler for a dual card, it's not hard but they seem incapable......... in contrast their 7970 was a great card.

my guess is the 390X will be fine, if not they've had it, this next card is crucial they can not afford to get it wrong

 

[Final8y]

Your lack of knowledge on graphics cards surprises me

I think you should go and look up the amount of power both the GTX 480 and HD 5970 use and then you may want to rewrite your last post.

Yes there are two GPUs on the 5970 but all that heat is concentrated on one card.

You also realise that two HD 5970s in quadfire actually run hotter than three GTX 480s in 3 way SLI.

And AMD used to joke about Fermi, they are the ones who were the joke on that occassion.

Still that's apples to oranges as the 5970 is dual GPU card the 480 is not so its not surprising and would be expected that it would use more power and run hotter.

 

[Pulse88]

I must say after many off topic posts i must agree with Kaapstad.


normally Dm have god posts and knowledge but last posts are just bad information for the crowd.

 

[Kaapstad]

Still that's apples to oranges as the 5970 is dual GPU card the 480 is not so its not surprising and would be expected that it would use more power and run hotter.

You are missing the point, DM is downplaying the importance that needs to be paid to keeping excess heat and power usage under control. So the fact that the HD 5970 is a dual GPU card does not matter, it is the volume of heat it produces that counts. If you have two of these cards you have to be very careful how you have them setup. Having said that I have still got my 5970s as I have had a lot of fun with them. I have seen people running the 5970s in quadfire and reaching 102C which kind of makes the Hawaii cards look good at 94C.

 

[Devrij]

You are missing the point, DM is downplaying the importance that needs to be paid to keeping excess heat and power usage under control. So the fact that the HD 5970 is a dual GPU card does not matter, it is the volume of heat it produces that counts. If you have two of these cards you have to be very careful how you have them setup. Having said that I have still got my 5970s as I have had a lot of fun with them. I have seen people running the 5970s in quadfire and reaching 102C which kind of makes the Hawaii cards look good at 94C.

I'm not disagreeing that 5970s in quadfire are going to run hot enough that it's a problem, but I think DM has a point. He isn't explaining it very well and is being quite antagonistic about it, but for most consumers the primary factors are performance, price and reliability (whether that be driver quality/support or hardware), followed by noise, heat and power consumption. In extreme multi card setups you are going to have to manage heat. Tri or quad gpu rigs are going to draw a lot of power and output a lot of heat. Most people, however, are going to be running single or dual card setups, and for those purposes you would be better off with two 5850s than one 480. It wins on performance and price, and the heat and noise were not at unacceptable levels. The 480 was a hot card and it was overpriced for the performance it produced compared to competitors. 5970 quadfire would run hot as hell, but I'm sure 480 quad sli would as well.

 

[Stanners]

I'm not disagreeing that 5970s in quadfire are going to run hot enough that it's a problem, but I think DM has a point. He isn't explaining it very well and is being quite antagonistic about it, but for most consumers the primary factors are performance, price and reliability (whether that be driver quality/support or hardware), followed by noise, heat and power consumption. In extreme multi card setups you are going to have to manage heat. Tri or quad gpu rigs are going to draw a lot of power and output a lot of heat. Most people, however, are going to be running single or dual card setups, and for those purposes you would be better off with two 5850s than one 480. It wins on performance and price, and the heat and noise were not at unacceptable levels. The 480 was a hot card and it was overpriced for the performance it produced compared to competitors. 5970 quadfire would run hot as hell, but I'm sure 480 quad sli would as well.

By that logic you would also be better off with a 970 over the 290's as they have less power, ergo less heat. But the point is the argument is twisted to suit DM's agender for AMD. Do you see him singing the praises of the 970?


flip, flop, flip, flop...............

 

[Final8y]

You are missing the point, DM is downplaying the importance that needs to be paid to keeping excess heat and power usage under control. So the fact that the HD 5970 is a dual GPU card does not matter, it is the volume of heat it produces that counts. If you have two of these cards you have to be very careful how you have them setup. Having said that I have still got my 5970s as I have had a lot of fun with them. I have seen people running the 5970s in quadfire and reaching 102C which kind of makes the Hawaii cards look good at 94C.

No i did not miss the point as i did not speak about the importance or agree or disagree with the importance, my point is the 5970 is going to be hotter so its not a joke because it is hotter than a 480 its to be expected.
The opinion that the 5970 could be considered a joke because it ran so hot but the comparison to a 480 is irrelevant, a dual GPU card are expected to run hotter and when they dont then its to be commend but they cant be put down for being hotter than a single GPU counterpart.

 

[Mal X]

. I have had a lot of fun with them. I have seen people running the 5970s in quadfire and reaching 102C which kind of makes the Hawaii cards look good at 94C.

still way too hot..........esp in the summer, my 7990 was a total disaster, it would only run cool if undervolted and underclocked.....shame because the 7990 looked really good

 

[mmj_uk]

IIRC 9800XT was considered safe up to 105C and that was coming from an AMD rep on Rage 3D back in the day.

I don't particularly care about core temperature unless it affects performance, Intel's latest CPU's run at at 80C+ but they are actually very easy to cool and don't kick out a lot of heat. My primary concern when buying is the amount of heat being ejected into the case which is much higher on AMD cards, even if you can put up with the noise of the reference cooler it will radiate some heat as they are often scolding hot to touch.

Core temperature wasn't historically a problem but is with 290X since it will reduce performance/throttle as there is no set clock (look on AMD.com they are all advertised as "up to 1000mhz" etc), that was not the case with GTX480 or any other card previous because they all had a guaranteed minimum performance level (base clock).