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Are you kidding, were you not around when the 480 launched. It meant everything to certain crowds...


+1 Heat and power comments were every where from the AMD fans. Funny really as the GTX 480 was faster, got a better return from overclocking, better dx11 performance and had more vram. It also was relevant longer than the 5870. All this and the AMD fans were just quoting heat and power all the time. How times and opinions change. :D
 
+1 Heat and power comments were every where from the AMD fans. Funny really as the GTX 480 was faster, got a better return from overclocking, better dx11 performance and had more vram. It also was relevant longer than the 5870. All this and the AMD fans were just quoting heat and power all the time. How times and opinions change. :D

+1 :D
 
Are you kidding, were you not around when the 480 launched. It meant everything to certain crowds...

A gfx card is what it is, if its hot it is hot and it will get bashed for it the 290 and the 480, the difference is the 480 being hot was not continually being put forwards as a reason to not buy it and its sales did not suffer for it being hot..
 
+1 Heat and power comments were every where from the AMD fans. Funny really as the GTX 480 was faster, got a better return from overclocking, better dx11 performance and had more vram. It also was relevant longer than the 5870. All this and the AMD fans were just quoting heat and power all the time. How times and opinions change. :D


Actually what Orangey meant is that power and heat weren't a problem for the Nvidia crowd ever as long as the performance was there. But, now, suddenly a very mediocre increase in performance is brilliant because Nvidia have low power consumption.

And how was the 480 relevant for longer? It was replaced by the 580 in 8 months. The 5870 was around for 15 months.
 
Actually what Orangey meant is that power and heat weren't a problem for the Nvidia crowd ever as long as the performance was there. But, now, suddenly a very mediocre increase in performance is brilliant because Nvidia have low power consumption.

And how was the 480 relevant for longer? It was replaced by the 580 in 8 months. The 5870 was around for 15 months.

The 480s were too hot for me

I had to build a PC with either 3 x 480s or 2 x 5970s

I went for the cooler running HD 5970s.:p
 
This just shows the hypocrisy of fanboys from both sides.

That's exactly it, the same arguments twisted to suit the needs, I had a 480 and a 290X both ran very hot, my 290 was a reference cooler as was the 480. An aftermarket cooler sorted the 480 as they do for the 290's.

In fact the 480 ran slightly hotter than my 290 did thinking back.
 
Jeeze this power/heat crap talk again. If gamers was really bothered by extra heat or power used by gpus they would underclock not overclock their cards. Stop using this as point scoring... Getting boring now.
 
Jeeze this power/heat crap talk again. If gamers was really bothered by extra heat or power used by gpus they would underclock not overclock their cards. Stop using this as point scoring... Getting boring now.

What a load of rubbish, why do people water cool, what stops cards clocking higher?. In fact that is the stupidest comment I have read in a while.
 
No competition? Amd still have the best bang for your money right now in the low, Mid and high of Graphics cards..
290 is still going strong and will continue to do so. Anyone who picks a 970 over a 290 is mostly looking at exclusive features nothing more.

nope, the 970 was miles cheaper on its launch day than the 290, or have you forgotten........AMD did not respond by lowering their prices, not for weeks; by then it was too late

the facts are fairly obvious, AMD are in retreat, the 290 is dead in the water, they need something pretty special to bounce back
 
PRetty much every 6 months the Nvidia guys come around saying the only thing the 480 was mocked for was heat and thus anyone mentioning heat is being hypocritical, unfortunately that ignores the facts of the situation.

The 480gtx was 6+ months late, launched three times effectively, had a WOOD SCREW FAKE paraded around by the man himself(during iirc the first 'launch' which again iirc was soon after the 5870 was available... it was a media stunt to pretend the card was due soon when it wasn't).

After being late it cost significantly more than a 5870 which you could have had for 6months, and WAY more than the fantastic value 5850(which I can't recall if they unlocked to 5870's, or was that 6950's unlocking to 6970's?). The 5850's overclocked like demon spawn, mine hit something nuts like 1150Mhz with low voltage and I never bothered going for significantly higher voltage.

6 months late, was SLOWER than an overclocked 5850, cost over twice as much and the 5970 had already launched meaning it was significantly slower than the fastest single card solution while costing around the same.

On top of all these downsides it was also loud, power hungry etc.

They are worth mentioning but to pretend most AMD users cared significantly about those problems with the card is just ridiculous.

If the 480gtx was out the same time as the 5870, cost say 15% more to be 15% faster, then it would still be louder and hotter... but it would still be a good card. They are facts, that doesn't make them game changers or deal breaking. They were just the 9th and 10th issue in a long list of issues that made the 480gtx a completely unattractive card. In the majority of games it would be harder to tell the difference between a 5870/480gtx than between either card and the midrange card that was 40-50% slower.

It is also why the 980gtx is a bit meh, the power and heat are again way down the list of important factors in the card. It's expensive, VERY expensive for the same ballpark performance as a card out over a year ago that now costs significantly less.

Power and heat being lower would make it a 100% certain buy over a 290x IF it cost the same, it doesn't.

performance with cost factored in are pretty much the two most important factors of a card that 99% of people think about when choosing a card. Other things are way further down the list and make the difference when performance, cost and performance vs cost are equal then you start thinking about other factors.

The 290x has some small downsides but it is still a great card.
 
Could have cut a lot of filler out and made that 140chars.

For anyone else not wanting to read the above.

TL;DR: Nvidia are bad, AMD are good.

Edit: Will also call BS on a 1150mhz 5850. They clocked well, i doubt yours clocked that well.
 
nope, the 970 was miles cheaper on its launch day than the 290, or have you forgotten........AMD did not respond by lowering their prices, not for weeks; by then it was too late

the facts are fairly obvious, AMD are in retreat, the 290 is dead in the water, they need something pretty special to bounce back

I don't know what you are talking about with "AMD are in retreat" looks like adolescent hyperbole.

The 290 is actually only about £20/£30 cheaper now than what it was when the 970 was launched.
 
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