Potential PS4.5 With Better CPU+GPU ?

Steam machines are already available and hasn't caused Sony to even give them a seconds thought. The NX may well be a little powerhouse but it lost the fan base that would care about that long ago and they lack the 3rd party developer connection
 
krisboats said:
Lol, sure. And i suppose 640k of RAM will be more than enough for anyone and SMS will never become mainstream... oh wait :rolleyes:
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What? It won't happen this gen at least, there would be no point. Everyone knows this gen isn't going to be as long as the other ones. It'll be another 3-4 years then a PS5 will be announced.

So :rolleyes: as much as you want, it won't happen at least not this generation. Even then the whole reason a console has it's appeal is the price and the length it's out for, if there was to be a "better" or "improved" device with better parts it would be substantially more expensive would bring it in line with what at the lower end of where mid range PC's start costing.

Then the appeal is lost, why get a console which is not much less than a semi-decent PC which can do everything a console can do and more?

Just because i don't agree no reason to roll your eyes, neither of us are right or wrong it's our opinion.
 
dakaiez said:
What? It won't happen this gen at least, there would be no point. Everyone knows this gen isn't going to be as long as the other ones. It'll be another 3-4 years then a PS5 will be announced.

So :rolleyes: as much as you want, it won't happen at least not this generation. Even then the whole reason a console has it's appeal is the price and the length it's out for, if there was to be a "better" or "improved" device with better parts it would be substantially more expensive would bring it in line with what at the lower end of where mid range PC's start costing.

Then the appeal is lost, why get a console which is not much less than a semi-decent PC which can do everything a console can do and more?

Just because i don't agree no reason to roll your eyes, neither of us are right or wrong it's our opinion.
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Someone's easily offended!! haha.

Take it you work at sony? Have an in depth account of their plans behind the scenes?

Nope, didn't think so. I think you've also missed the point where i haven't actually expressed a "right or wrong" opinion, merely asked some questions and certainly not claimed to predict what they are going to do. Truth is, console manufacturers dabbled with different hardware specs last generation, admittedly only varying hard drive sizes and the addition of HDMI ports over the original release, but they were still hardware improvements. It makes sense that they would release a revised spec console if they could make it financially viable. It's done by both companies in other sectors of the products they produce so it would be rather silly to presume they simply won't do it like you've done so far. 3-4 years is a long time in whats now becoming an explosively expanding entertainment-loving society. All i was trying to understand better is why people like yourself get all angry over the idea of having a higher spec console released.

The point of a console over a pc is it's ease of use and inclusion into a mainstream home. Its easy to plug a box into a tv and put a disc in... not so much to install drivers, patches, have hardware conflicts, remove virus's etc.
 
krisboats said:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Someone's easily offended!! haha.

Take it you work at sony? Have an in depth account of their plans behind the scenes?

Nope, didn't think so. I think you've also missed the point where i haven't actually expressed a "right or wrong" opinion, merely asked some questions and certainly not claimed to predict what they are going to do. Truth is, console manufacturers dabbled with different hardware specs last generation, admittedly only varying hard drive sizes and the addition of HDMI ports over the original release, but they were still hardware improvements. It makes sense that they would release a revised spec console if they could make it financially viable. It's done by both companies in other sectors of the products they produce so it would be rather silly to presume they simply won't do it like you've done so far. 3-4 years is a long time in whats now becoming an explosively expanding entertainment-loving society. All i was trying to understand better is why people like yourself get all angry over the idea of having a higher spec console released.

The point of a console over a pc is it's ease of use and inclusion into a mainstream home. Its easy to plug a box into a tv and put a disc in... not so much to install drivers, patches, have hardware conflicts, remove virus's etc.
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Nah not offended, just was a little :confused: at the :rolleyes:! :D

Nope don't work at Sony, don't know of any of their future plans. I just don't see it happening, at least not with the current gen. There is a difference in bigger hard drives and including a HDMI port over having better hardware in terms of processing power.

I don't see where i am getting angry, not agreeing or not believing in something doesn't make me angry in the slightest. It's just my view differs from yours, who knows it could happen but then against "I" feel it most certainly won't at least not any time soon.

Well yeah ease of use is one of the main factors as is price normally which is why certain consoles flop at release compared to their rival competition.

Either way you think it will happen, i don't but if it does it does and if it doesn't then again it doesn't. Not really to fussed either way. :)
 
dakaiez said:
I don't see where i am getting angry, not agreeing or not believing in something doesn't make me angry in the slightest. It's just my view differs from yours, who knows it could happen but then against "I" feel it most certainly won't at least not any time soon.

Either way you think it will happen, i don't but if it does it does and if it doesn't then again it doesn't. Not really to fussed either way. :)
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That's kinda my point. While you haven't spoken aggressively, you've gone out of your way to try and disprove something i never said. I asked why people would be annoyed and questioned why they wouldn't be expecting a performance increase with each form revision of a console. I never said i thought this was going to happen. All i said is it would make sense and i didn't understand the mentality of the people posting in this thread.

From a financial aspect it'd be beneficial for a manufacturer to fit faster hardware, even if it's only slightly better.... providing it can be done on a profitable scale. They get to resell the console to the fanboys and the technophiles and can assert their domination over the industry as most capable machine. If this can be done at little extra cost over the original spec unit then it makes sense from a manufacturers perspective. On the flipside, the fanboys and the technophiles tend to sidegrade to newer "slim" models at some point anyway, so wouldn't they want extra performance or slightly improved visuals? Wars rage online over which console has the least jagged edges or longer draw distance in a single frame of the game they should be enjoying. I just don't get how people can fight and argue over which is the best over such a minute difference and then at the same time scoff at the idea of a manufacturer doing an apple and releasing the same product only slightly smaller and with a slightly quicker chipset.

Whether they do or don't is irrelevant to what i was asking. It was peoples mentality and the claims of "sony would lose me as a customer" that i was questioning.
 
krisboats said:
From a financial aspect it'd be beneficial for a manufacturer to fit faster hardware, even if it's only slightly better.... providing it can be done on a profitable scale
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It's apparently on a profitable scale at the moment. The manufacturer does not usually make money on the console well into it's life span so to be making money already is a massive bonus for Sony and Microsoft.

krisboats said:
They get to resell the console to the fanboys and the technophiles and can assert their domination over the industry as most capable machine.
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Sony already has the most capable machine, fanboys have rejoiced over this for a while now :p

krisboats said:
If this can be done at little extra cost over the original spec unit then it makes sense from a manufacturers perspective.
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No it doesn't, they already have record console sales. It would be stupid to rock the boat to be honest.


krisboats said:
On the flipside, the fanboys and the technophiles tend to sidegrade to newer "slim" models at some point anyway, so wouldn't they want extra performance or slightly improved visuals? Wars rage online over which console has the least jagged edges or longer draw distance in a single frame of the game they should be enjoying.
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That is a tiny proportion of the market. To be honest they need to cater towards the more casual gamer market than the console enthusiast.


krisboats said:
I just don't get how people can fight and argue over which is the best over such a minute difference and then at the same time scoff at the idea of a manufacturer doing an apple and releasing the same product only slightly smaller and with a slightly quicker chipset.
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We have always upgraded our phones on an 12 month - 18 month basis. We look forward to upgrading these. With console we have an expectation of a set life span of 5+ years. We have more or less been conditioned that way! :)

krisboats said:
Whether they do or don't is irrelevant to what i was asking. It was peoples mentality and the claims of "sony would lose me as a customer" that i was questioning.
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I think people are justified to feel uneasy if Sony were to release a PlayStation 4.5, it would be the first time a manufacturer has release an incremental upgrade and then you would be thinking about the 5 then the 5.5 etc. When would the support for the PS4 stop? when we got onto the PS5? Also, the games they are releasing right now are great looking. This will likely be the shortest console cycle this time but I'm not ready for a new console every 2 years as you usually find the best looking and performing games coming out later in the consoles life.
 
spoffle said:
They aren't known for making crappy console ports, because console ports aren't a real thing.
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True, I think he means games with a lead format that is the set bar when developing. Console port is flung around all over the shop on the PC section of this forum, anything that doesn't max out expensive hardware is a crappy console port :p
 
RedStarRiot said:
True, I think he means games with a lead format that is the set bar when developing. Console port is flung around all over the shop on the PC section of this forum, anything that doesn't max out expensive hardware is a crappy console port :p
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Very much so, however I'd even argue that they don't consider consoles the be the lead platform. Wasn't Skyrim utterly atrocious on the consoles for performance and performance stability?
 
spoffle said:
Very much so, however I'd even argue that they don't consider consoles the be the lead platform. Wasn't Skyrim utterly atrocious on the consoles for performance and performance stability?
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I heard it was awful on the PS3, I don't think the Xbox 360 had the same issues. If I remember it was down to the amount of RAM available or how the system used it in the PS3. Skyrim was massive in scale, so big that it put me off buying it! :p
 
RedStarRiot said:
I think people are justified to feel uneasy if Sony were to release a PlayStation 4.5, it would be the first time a manufacturer has release an incremental upgrade and then you would be thinking about the 5 then the 5.5 etc. When would the support for the PS4 stop? when we got onto the PS5? Also, the games they are releasing right now are great looking. This will likely be the shortest console cycle this time but I'm not ready for a new console every 2 years as you usually find the best looking and performing games coming out later in the consoles life.
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Why shorter? Guessing at 5 to 7 years for this gen. 2018-2020.
 
Plainsong said:
Why shorter? Guessing at 5 to 7 years for this gen. 2018-2020.
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Well based on the fact technology is moving faster at the moment and over the course of the next few years 4K will become more popular. The internals of the consoles are more off the shelves then ever and they are not mucking about waiting years to make a profit. This tells me that the expectations from both are a potentially shorter life cycle than what we are accustomed to. That's my thought's anyway :)

I'd say 5 years would be reasonable for this gen.
 
jamesy505 said:
We are already 2 years into this gen, I wouldnt expect Sony or Microsoft to be releasing a new console in 3years or so
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True but I wouldn't be overly shocked either to be honest. This generation is certainly different to others and I think that in 3 years time 4K is certainly going to be far more mainstream. With more of less off the shelf components and making profits already then may adopt a different approach. Although we are debating speculation, nobody is correct! :p:D
 
Even though the consoles themselves are profitable, the real money is still in the on going software sales. I think you alienate both the consumer and developers if you move on too soon. You also have to leave enough time to make sure the next set of consoles have enough upgrades to entice users. Look at the Wii U, it followed the fastest selling console and was a flop. The console market isn't the mobile phone market.

Having said that, I think the we could see new consoles in 2019 or so which would be 2 years earlier than the last round.
 
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Depends, this gen is the most expensive for console manufacturers and games development getting expensive too. So I won't be surprised if this gen last longer than the PS3/360.
 
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