Power to Mick Lynch

[Werewolf]

That's a fair comment, so why are flight attendants only paid an average of £20,476, significantly lower than what would be perceived to be an equivalent role in the rail industry.

Possibly because there are far more people who want to be flight attendants? It's a job that from the outside appears fun and exciting but is often not something people keep going with as a long term career as it's completely incompatible with normal family life, so if you've got a fairly high turnover of staff you're likely to have a lower average wage because they've not been there as long.
IIRC the likes of RyanAir and Easyject have pushed down the average wage for them by quite a bit.

Who designed and manufactured the overpriced trash we were producing?

Oddly enough the people that work on the manufacturing line tend not to have a massive input into the design and materials of what they're making, you can put something together perfectly according to specification, but it doesn't improve a poor design that is made out of poor materials (no amount of care and attention a skilled production line worker can lavish will overcome a poor design choice, or a management decision to save half a percent on the materials cost by specifying lower quality materials that'll rust out)
It's the management and the design staff who do that, and from memory they didn't tend to strike as they were getting much better wages.

 

[omnomnom]

They get paid too much in comparison to other critical roles.

I'd far rather see teachers and NHS staff get paid what they are getting, rather than have train drivers pay increase even more.

Why cant people get their head around the fact that this isnt just about the train drivers? It's about 50,000 members effectively getting a pay cut.

Have to say, to me this Lynch guy comes across as a total ******** in virtually every interview I've seen with him. I don't know enough about the facts to say who's right and wrong. but what an absolute melt he is

Melt? He's absolutely rinsed anyone who's interviewed him. Kay Burley had to resort to becoming a victim at one point.

 

[Steedie]

Why cant people get their head around the fact that this isnt just about the train drivers? It's about 50,000 members effectively getting a pay cut.

Melt? He's absolutely rinsed anyone who's interviewed him. Kay Burley had to resort to becoming a victim at one point.

All he seems to do is call people a liar, that's his only argument. It really isn't the way a sensible debate is conducted

 

[Dirk Diggler]

All he seems to do is call people a liar, that's his only argument. It really isn't the way a sensible debate is conducted

How is a sensible debate conducted, should he just sit there and pretend they aren't lying? Look where that gets us with Johnson...

 

[Voltar]

Isn’t the question why should we, the general public, have to pay the non-driving employees of the rail company more money?

Our fares are already crazy high. The taxpayer has already bailed out the rail companies.

What are we getting for the money?

Think about it, when you pay for a ticket to use the service, what are you getting in return from non driving staff? The service we get for the price we pay is a joke. I’m sure we will be pointed to that one time someone helped deliver a baby or that one time when… but the reality is that paying an RPI more money to check tickets or write out penalty fare notices is not justified. What makes a train cleaner more deserving of more money than a school cleaner? What makes a ticket office worker deserve more money?

“Pay us more money for the rubbish service we provide” - good on them that’s living the dream.

It to me is like the NHS. Wildly inefficient with people demanding beatification on the basis it’s our NHS providing an essential service. You get people really playing up they work for the NHS these days, most of the time they aren’t the clinical staff, just the overpaid admin/bed pushers/security staff.

We have here non essential staff striking. It would be like all the non clinical staff in the NHS striking. Good riddance.

But then again the Union types and their supporters are like Millwall fans with their “no one likes us and we don’t care” refrain.

The culture of we want the government and tax payer to give us more money and for us to get stuff for free pervades society. It’s why we needed austerity and why we are in a dreadful financial state that is scary after all the huge recent events.

Strikers should be denied benefits. Their salaries should be diverted to essential driving staff instead.

No issue with paying drivers more, who aren’t even striking, but the rest cab jog on.

 

[Steedie]

How is a sensible debate conducted, should he just sit there and pretend they aren't lying? Look where that gets us with Johnson...

Maybe elaborate on why they are lying? As someone watching who doesn't necessarily know why they are lying, it's his opportunity to explain and get me on side, not look like a cantankerous dick

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Maybe elaborate on why they are lying? As someone watching who doesn't necessarily know why they are lying, it's his opportunity to explain and get me on side, not look like a cantankerous dick

I can only go by the video in the OP where he's accusing the Tory of lying, and he does his best to elaborate within the 3 second intervals that the presenter allows him, in between the breaths the Tory minister takes from the ongoing party political broadcast.

 

[Chris Wilson]

"Mick" satisfies most if not all of the prerequisites of the leader of a militant left wing union:

Vulgar in manner

Vulgar in appearance

Bombastic and bullying attitude

Ill educated, with a massive chip on his shoulder regarding his peers

Did I mention common as muck...?


Yes, good old Mick ticks all the right boxes to appeal to his members.

 

[Freakbro]

So you hate the liberal elites, blacks, gays and now you hate the common working man, who do you like Chris?

 

[Roar87]

I found it funny how he mentioned he's working class, on £124,000 a year. I'm sure his parents may have been.

 

[Devilman]

"Mick" satisfies most if not all of the prerequisites of the leader of a militant left wing union:

Vulgar in manner

Vulgar in appearance

Bombastic and bullying attitude

....

For a moment I thought you were describing Boris

Also, as if "Vulgar in appearance" would have any relevance at all on his arguments or his position in general.

Is this the level you operate on? "Oh he / she is ugly, shouldn't listen to anything they have to say"

Beggars belief.

 

[dowie]

And the rest of their conditions to be met - no modernisation and no compulsory redundancies?

Yeah, that's the bit I have little sympathy with. I can empathise with wanting better pay, but the Luddism aspects of these disputes are a bit ridiculous.

It's not like they're living in some pit village with only one major employer either, these are people who are relatively well paid already and demanding both more money and opposing technological improvements, closure of ticket offices, drones for track inspections etc.

Possibly because there are far more people who want to be flight attendants?

AFAIK there are plenty of applicants for railway work, TFL etc. the pay is artificially inflated by the unions being able to hold people to ransom every so often without that there would be plenty of people willing to do the same job for less.

 

[Roar87]

AFAIK there are plenty of applicants for railway work, TFL etc. the pay is artificially inflated by the unions being able to hold people to ransom every so often without that there would be plenty of people willing to do the same job for less.

Yep. Where I work there are people on less than the salary of the "ticket collectors" who are working 9 hour days attending non-stop meetings with specialised technical skills. If they left you simply wouldn't be able to replace them because they have years of experience.

 

[chroniclard]

Still, at least Bankers are potentially getting bonus caps removed. Go Go Boris.

 

[Greebo]

Are they striking for just the drivers pay or everyone such as the cleaners etc?

Not even for drivers. they are in a different union and arent on strike.

 

[Freakbro]

And in another breath the same people argue that paying foreign people willing to do work for less is exploitation and we need to artifically restrict the labour force to get a higher rate of pay for native workers.

 

[Semple]

Possibly because there are far more people who want to be flight attendants? It's a job that from the outside appears fun and exciting but is often not something people keep going with as a long term career as it's completely incompatible with normal family life, so if you've got a fairly high turnover of staff you're likely to have a lower average wage because they've not been there as long.
IIRC the likes of RyanAir and Easyject have pushed down the average wage for them by quite a bit.

Sounds like they need a marketing exercise from the airlines then. Promote the perks of a ticket inspector job, getting to travel up and down our lovely countrysides.

 

[dowie]

Still, at least Bankers are potentially getting bonus caps removed. Go Go Boris.

Don't see why that's a bad thing tbh... gives banks more flexibility over variable comp instead of the high salaries they switched to. Anyway, probs one for another thread.

 

[Darujhistan]

The news media in this country is a ******* disgrace, all bought and paid for by the richest 5% to destroy the interests of the poorest 95%.

Not even a pretence of impartiality.

 

[Roar87]

Still, at least Bankers are potentially getting bonus caps removed. Go Go Boris.

Are bankers striking? This is the problem. If you're unhappy with your salary, get a new job, don't hold the country to ransom.

The news media in this country is a ******* disgrace, all bought and paid for by the richest 5% to destroy the interests of the poorest 95%.

Not even a pretence of impartiality.

The poorest are the people trying to use the trains and buses that are striking