Power to weight ratio of your car?

155 bhp 434kg with half a tank of fuel = 357.14 bhp/ton

As soon as it's through IVA it's being treated to a turbo :)
 
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My stripped Saxo with Cobra Imola buckets & 4 point 3" harnesses was awesome on a spirited drive. The way you were held in and the whole noise of the car, made you really feel connected.

However day to day it was a chore! Changing radio station, reaching for anything in the passenger footwell required to undo or slacken the harnesses, the heat from the exhaust tunnel burnt your leg, when it rained bits of water spray found their way in through the car, the noise of the exhaust and every single stone hitting the bottom of the car etc

Using the car for every day duties drove me insane, and trying to explain when picking anyone up in it why I thought my Saxo was a race car!

I'd do it to a weekend car, but then if I had a weekend car it would probably be a Caterham anyway :p Fair play if you can put up with it though :)
 
I think it's about time the manufacturers all had to comply with some much more accurate weight measurements...

Two few things annoy me about the current system:

It's not clear what options are included on the car to see how representative it is. Perhaps manufacturers should provide maximum and minimum weights for each model to cover the range of options.

Secondly, the EU figure includes 90% full tank of fuel. How ridiculous! Surely the figure should include a fixed quantity? Say enough to fill fuel lines but tank otherwise empry? This 90% system penalises cars with big tanks.

I wonder if better weight measurements would create a bit more competition between the manufacturers, leading to better awareness of excess weight and ultimately a reduction??
 
I think it's about time the manufacturers all had to comply with some much more accurate weight measurements...

Two few things annoy me about the current system:

It's not clear what options are included on the car to see how representative it is. Perhaps manufacturers should provide maximum and minimum weights for each model to cover the range of options.

Secondly, the EU figure includes 90% full tank of fuel. How ridiculous! Surely the figure should include a fixed quantity? Say enough to fill fuel lines but tank otherwise empry? This 90% system penalises cars with big tanks.

I wonder if better weight measurements would create a bit more competition between the manufacturers, leading to better awareness of excess weight and ultimately a reduction??

If anything it should be a fixed amount of fuel but I can see why the manufacturers would disagree. After all, something like a 7 series has a huge tank for a reason compared to a Kia Picanto. 40L of fuel will certainly affect the Picanto more than it would affect the 7 in terms of the overall mass of the vehicle. 90% handicaps cars in "the same way" as in most cases the fuel tank size is pretty much proportional to the vehicle size (and thus roughly analogous to overall weight) anyway.
 
After all, something like a 7 series has a huge tank for a reason compared to a Kia Picanto. 40L of fuel will certainly affect the Picanto more than it would affect the 7 in terms of the overall mass of the vehicle. 90% handicaps cars in "the same way" as in most cases the fuel tank size is pretty much proportional to the vehicle size (and thus roughly analogous to overall weight) anyway.

Surely this is irrelevant if it effects the power to weight ratio. With less fuel, the power to weight ratio would increase, regardless if the amount of fuel the car was holding was proportional.
 
Surely this is irrelevant if it effects the power to weight ratio. With less fuel, the power to weight ratio would increase, regardless if the amount of fuel the car was holding was proportional.

We are talking about the EU standard for weight including a standard weight for driver and luggage but not a fixed amount of fuel.

That was the point I was responding to.
 
We are talking about the EU standard for weight including a standard weight for driver and luggage but not a fixed amount of fuel.

That was the point I was responding to.


Oh right, I thought the EU figure did include fuel. The figures do in the brochure for my car. Either way i think it ought to be clearer. :)
 
I think it's about time the manufacturers all had to comply with some much more accurate weight measurements...

...because accurate weight and power/weight numbers are reeeeeeeeeeeally important for everyone.:rolleyes::p Certainly worth writing an international standard/EU directive/whatever for. If anyone cared would have been done already.

:)
 
...because accurate weight and power/weight numbers are reeeeeeeeeeeally important for everyone.:rolleyes::p Certainly worth writing an international standard/EU directive/whatever for. If anyone cared would have been done already.

:)

It has been? He just posted to say he would like it to be as clear as the driver weight and luggage has been, rather than 90% of the fuel tank capacity or whatever it is.
 
As for this EU standard, when was it brought in?

My handbook says 800kg but no mention of 75kg or driver or fuel, I assume all other fluids tho.
The current rules were introduced in 1995 as part of EU Directive 95/48/EC. The EU standard is based on the respective component of the DIN 70020 standard which was published even earlier. These both mandate a 90% full fuel tank and all lubricants, oils, spare wheels, tools etc. The EU standard effectively added the 7 Kg luggage and 68 Kg driver allowance. The idea behind the measurement is to provide a mass close to the actual vehicle in road trim. The 90% full fuel tank works quite well in this regard. Using a fixed Kg penalty would be disproportionate as DRZ explained.

Currently the manufacturer’s offer a smorgasbord of minimum and/or maximum equipment specification benchmark weights, ranges and other figures. There is a good reason for this, as it avoids them having to measure each possible equipment combination. For large vehicle ranges that are sold throughout the world, there could be thousands of weight combinations for vehicles even before you consider optional equipment, as each NSO/importer can ‘negotiate’ their standard equipment packages with the factory to best suit their market. With some effort it would not be impossible for them to provide indicative weights of each optional equipment item, so you could add them together yourself and calculate a new estimated kerb weight.

Something to bear in mind is that EU Directive 95/48/EC allows for a -/+ 5% production tolerance. A car that the manufacturer offers as 1700 Kg EU could weigh anywhere from ~1620 Kg to ~1780 Kg.
 
The current rules were introduced in 1995 as part of EU Directive 95/48/EC. The EU standard is based on the respective component of the DIN 70020 standard which was published even earlier. These both mandate a 90% full fuel tank and all lubricants, oils, spare wheels, tools etc. The EU standard effectively added the 7 Kg luggage and 68 Kg driver allowance. The idea behind the measurement is to provide a mass close to the actual vehicle in road trim. The 90% full fuel tank works quite well in this regard. Using a fixed Kg penalty would be disproportionate as DRZ explained.

Currently the manufacturer’s offer a smorgasbord of minimum and/or maximum equipment specification benchmark weights, ranges and other figures. There is a good reason for this, as it avoids them having to measure each possible equipment combination. For large vehicle ranges that are sold throughout the world, there could be thousands of weight combinations for vehicles even before you consider optional equipment, as each NSO/importer can ‘negotiate’ their standard equipment packages with the factory to best suit their market. With some effort it would not be impossible for them to provide indicative weights of each optional equipment item, so you could add them together yourself and calculate a new estimated kerb weight.

Something to bear in mind is that EU Directive 95/48/EC allows for a -/+ 5% production tolerance. A car that the manufacturer offers as 1700 Kg EU could weigh anywhere from ~1620 Kg to ~1780 Kg.

Well, given my car is early 80s this doesn't apply.

What my car actually weights when all things are set to this directive I have no idea.
 
Flukester your comments here are fairly trolling. I suggest keeping out of here for a while, for your own good :)

Any chance of this being copied into the first post? :)

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