Power to weight ratio of your car?

alexisonfire · 10 Jul 2011 at 22:59

Vita said:
Where will your Passengers sit..if you ever have any?

They can walk*

*until i get another bucket

TB1968 · 10 Jul 2011 at 23:34

MY03 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Spec C Limited (quoted 276bhp/280ps, actual 312bhp), 1375kg/227bhp per tonne.

ScoobyDoo69 · 11 Jul 2011 at 00:07

Gayjin said:
355bhp and 1400kg - why do you ask?

Its not a competition darling

EDIT/ Are Blobeyes really 1495kg?

Because my dear, I didn't know they were so light in comparison! Yes indeedy, a whole 100kg over the WRX :eek:

Evos generally that light I take it?

Also, Fox, what you're saying re:weights and EU standard etc, how long has this been in place? I find it hard to believe that my car weighs in the low 1400kg area without a driver etc, but would happily be wrong!

Raymond Lin · 11 Jul 2011 at 00:22

Vita said:
Where will your Passengers sit..if you ever have any?

Well, I guess the answer is that he won't be able to.

But is it worth it really for that performance gain?

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 12:20

Raymond Lin said:
Well, I guess the answer is that he won't be able to.

But is it worth it really for that performance gain?

Well lets put it like this...to get the same bhp/tonne i have now by doing performance mods i would have to spend around £2000 on ITB's...instead i've just stripped down the car for free

[TW]Fox · 11 Jul 2011 at 12:28

ScoobyDoo69 said:
Also, Fox, what you're saying re:weights and EU standard etc, how long has this been in place? I

Years.

alexisonfire said:
Well lets put it like this...to get the same bhp/tonne i have now by doing performance mods i would have to spend around £2000 on ITB's...instead i've just stripped down the car for free

You also have to drive around in basically a shell. Yea, great. It's a Clio not a Caterham. Pointless really when you think about the marginal performance increase.

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 12:36

[TW]Fox;19559477 said:
Years.

You also have to drive around in basically a shell. Yea, great. It's a Clio not a Caterham. Pointless really when you think about the marginal performance increase.

Depends what your into...i don't give a crap about leather massage seats or wood trim rubbing against my face. I like the way a stripped out car feels, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest

[TW]Fox · 11 Jul 2011 at 12:46

alexisonfire said:
Depends what your into...i don't give a crap about leather massage seats or wood trim rubbing against my face. I like the way a stripped out car feels, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest

So why did you waste a load of money buying a Renault Clio, surely you should have bought some sort of kit car or something which would wipe the floor with the Clio in every possible way?

Sorry but driving around in a Clio with only one seat just strikes me as the most fundamentally stupid idea in the entire universe. And it isn't because I like leather seats, it's because... well.. just buy an Elise or a Caterham or something :confused:

Princey · 11 Jul 2011 at 12:52

Would having the weight on one side upset the handling too?

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 13:23

Having one seat is only for a short period of time, and the difference between one and two seats is going to be 8kg so I can't see it making much difference to the handling. I couldn't afford an Elise or the insurance, and wouldn't want a caterham. Thanks for your opinion though fox

Princey · 11 Jul 2011 at 13:27

I thought you said the front seats were 30kg each?

PMKeates · 11 Jul 2011 at 13:37

[TW]Fox;19552624 said:
Actually almost ALL people in this thread will be using book weights which are done to an EU Standard which dictates that the weight includes a driver, a set amount of luggage and a full tank of fuel.

Very few people will be using weight without driver as it's not really an easily located figure. Even if you drive your car onto a weighbridge as some of us are done you are sat in it so get a figure including driver.

Just to point out that the EU directive mandates that the driver weighs 68 Kg and the luggage allowance is 7 Kg. This means that the difference between including and excluding driver figures is almost always exactly 75 Kg. Many manufacturers publish the figures excluding driver, such as Audi. BMW used to. The problem arises with documentation inconsistency including or excluding the 75 Kg. If any figure doesn't specifically mention it you need to be cautious.

If people cannot categorically state that their weight is inclusive or exclusive of driver, then that is an already a ~5% margin of error. If they can't be sure it includes fuel, oils, coolant etc. (i.e. is a dry weight or only lubricants) then it's even more.

sigma · 11 Jul 2011 at 14:08

I think people are taking this a bit too seriously.

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 14:08

Princey said:
I thought you said the front seats were 30kg each?

Indeed i did, the buckets weigh 8kg each though, which i will have two of eventually.

Edit: and i forgot to mention before that the car is already set up for more weight on the right hand side.

Overlag · 11 Jul 2011 at 16:22

[TW]Fox;19559610 said:
So why did you waste a load of money buying a Renault Clio, surely you should have bought some sort of kit car or something which would wipe the floor with the Clio in every possible way?

Sorry but driving around in a Clio with only one seat just strikes me as the most fundamentally stupid idea in the entire universe. And it isn't because I like leather seats, it's because... well.. just buy an Elise or a Caterham or something

Why not? its up to him (and me) what we do to our cars. If he doesnt track it, then it is a bit wierd but again, each to there own. On my last trackday i had removed almost everything from the car. Rear seats, rear carpet, rear plastics, boot plastics, spare wheel, jack, door cards etc etc. Car accelerates (and stops) faster so win win... enough to help me keep infront of lardy ST225s and luxo-barges .

Jonnycoupe · 11 Jul 2011 at 16:24

Flukester said:
Did you include a 'person' with your cars figures ?

This is why this thread fails, everyone is pulling figures out of bottoms

Not to mention bikes are banned from it as it makes all the car owners feel slow and mediocre

No I didnt, its generally the norm to do so if you want and not if you dont, the figures clearly state the deal. Its a retort to the power rangers who cant read the title stating 'cars' and quote figures for the bike that are barely 40kg heavier than me.

Plus you cant gun full throttle launches in a bike and the aero is proportionally far poorer than a car so lauch speed and top end grunt doesnt even correlate that well between the two vehicles.

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 16:49

Overlag said:
Why not? its up to him (and me) what we do to our cars. If he doesnt track it, then it is a bit wierd but again, each to there own. On my last trackday i had removed almost everything from the car. Rear seats, rear carpet, rear plastics, boot plastics, spare wheel, jack, door cards etc etc. Car accelerates (and stops) faster so win win... enough to help me keep infront of lardy ST225s and luxo-barges .

I do track it, just not as much as I like. It's the £200 of fuel and £100 on tyres which every time which is holding me back atm. Hopefully doing bouton and brands at the end of the year

[TW]Fox · 11 Jul 2011 at 17:10

Overlag said:
Why not?

If practicality is of absolutely zero concern whatsoever right down to the fact you are not even bothered about seats and carpets, then you can do better than a Renault Clio.

The Clio 182 is a great hot hatch but of course part of the hot hatch brief is a degree of practicality and the end result is a car in which compromises are made to fulfil this.

It seems what he really needs is a track weapon not a Renault Clio. He could own something more competent for similar money to his Clio.

Just seems like a waste of an otherwise good car, but hey - its my opinion. And thats the point in discussion forms.

Well, unless he's going for the 'scene look' but if that was the case he'd have plastered it in 'TOW' stickers. Oh wait...

spaz · 11 Jul 2011 at 17:50

[TW]Fox;19561569 said:
If practicality is of absolutely zero concern whatsoever right down to the fact you are not even bothered about seats and carpets, then you can do better than a Renault Clio.

The Clio 182 is a great hot hatch but of course part of the hot hatch brief is a degree of practicality and the end result is a car in which compromises are made to fulfil this.

It seems what he really needs is a track weapon not a Renault Clio. He could own something more competent for similar money to his Clio.

Just seems like a waste of an otherwise good car, but hey - its my opinion. And thats the point in discussion forms.

Well, unless he's going for the 'scene look' but if that was the case he'd have plastered it in 'TOW' stickers. Oh wait...

All depends on ones perception of 'practicality' and what you use the car for surely? Once he has the second seat in his car it'll still be a lot more practical to use than a caterham or elise etc, it's still the same shape, it's not like he's hacked the roof off, he'll still be able to get a big tv back from the shops in it along with some shopping from Tesco at the same time, he'll still be able to use it in the pouring wet without getting drenched etc.
It may not be able to taxi 5 people back from the cinema any more but if he never did that anyway then has he lost practicality? It may be louder and hear a lot more of the mechanicals and the world around him, but that's no bad thing in my opinion.

You simply will not get something 'much more competent' than the clio for the same money, certainly not the sort of car you're alluding to either. What's the point in chopping in the car for something else that'll only do the same things as a car you already have. Can always put everything back to normal if it's really *that* bad, would have to sell the elise/caterham to regain it if that route was chosen.

The tow sticker is toilet however, oh and obviously the biggest thing I've overlooked is that the Clio is still proper wheel drive

alexisonfire · 11 Jul 2011 at 19:24

[TW]Fox;19561569 said:
If practicality is of absolutely zero concern whatsoever right down to the fact you are not even bothered about seats and carpets, then you can do better than a Renault Clio.

The Clio 182 is a great hot hatch but of course part of the hot hatch brief is a degree of practicality and the end result is a car in which compromises are made to fulfil this.

It seems what he really needs is a track weapon not a Renault Clio. He could own something more competent for similar money to his Clio.

Just seems like a waste of an otherwise good car, but hey - its my opinion. And thats the point in discussion forms.

Well, unless he's going for the 'scene look' but if that was the case he'd have plastered it in 'TOW' stickers. Oh wait...

I wanted a clio though, its rather obvious to say there is better cars out there. The elise would cost twice as much, even an S1 that is much older and a lot more miles, and would cost double to insure. Its like saying, whats the point of the clio cup then? Might aswell just use the elise. :confused:

Everything i'm doing is reversible in a days work (haven't figured out what route im going with the cage yet) for resale value. Are you saying the R26r and M3 GTS are pointless too?