Pre-season Football 2011/2012 Season

Jesus Christ... you've said more positive things about Man Utd in this thread, I wish you'd just shut the **** up once in a while.

I wish Arsenal fans as a whole knew how bad some of our players were, got more vocal about it and didn't love Wenger so much that the board supports him beyond sanity, to the point that any other club would have fired Wenger at least 3 years ago and we'd have been improving since by ditching the utter tripe we pay 10's of millions to a year in total which is slowly ruining the club.

People don't really seem to like to mention that wages spending has pretty much shot up 50% or so(from around 65-70, to around 110) during this 6 years we've gotten worse every year.



Anyway, Ronaldo's goal against Galaxy was a cracker, starting off as he finished the season it would seem.
 
I wish Arsenal fans as a whole knew how bad some of our players were, got more vocal about it and didn't love Wenger so much that the board supports him beyond sanity, to the point that any other club would have fired Wenger at least 3 years ago and we'd have been improving since by ditching the utter tripe we pay 10's of millions to a year in total which is slowly ruining the club.

People don't really seem to like to mention that wages spending has pretty much shot up 50% or so(from around 65-70, to around 110) during this 6 years we've gotten worse every year.



Anyway, Ronaldo's goal against Galaxy was a cracker, starting off as he finished the season it would seem.

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Doesn't look too bad! :confused: You should expect wages to go up as some of our younger players become first team players and sign new contracts. Looking at our expenditure over the past few years you really have to praise wenger for keeping us in the top 4 and in the champions league. Not to mention that we were title challengers for about 90% of the season, we beat the best team in the world and we managed to beat the top 3 teams at least once. Yes we have some dross at the club that really needs to be addressed but at the moment we are in a healthy position, we just need a good signing or two to really push for some silverware.
 
That's because you seemingly have an axe to grind against Arsenal but there we go. :)

Pull the other one. I've regularly said that Arsenal are the best footballing side in England. Unfortunately their squad isn't perfect and Wenger seems to ignore the glaring problems the side has. :)
 
You should expect wages to go up as some of our younger players become first team players and sign new contracts

In a world where we had an ever-expanding squad that never sold/released anyone, sure. But bear in mind that since 2006 we've got rid of Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Campbell, Reyes, Toure, Gilberto, Hleb, Lauren, Cole, Adebayor, Lehmann etc etc. These guys were not on YTS wages, they were earning big bucks and so while other players come through and get new contracts you'd expect them to be replacing the guys that are leaving to some extent.

Clearly in football there is natural wage inflation but I certainly wouldn't put it down to what you describe, if anything you'd expect to see a downward push on wages from a side that was trimming older players in favour of youngsters.
 
True, but when you look at how much we pay our youngsters then it's not hard to see where the problem is. People like denilson on around 40-60k is outrageous. If we give that kind of money to the likes of denilson then I'd hate to see how much the numerous young players in our squad are costing us every season!
 
Absolutely since that's the only possible explanation for our £110m wage bill, in terms of the first XI I doubt the wages are much higher than they were a few years ago, aside from Cesc I think we top out around £80k/week now (Arshavin maybe above that too). The problem is we've got the likes of Walcott trousering £3m a year, he's been at the club 5.5 seasons and still hasn't established himself in the starting XI.
 
Pull the other one. I've regularly said that Arsenal are the best footballing side in England. Unfortunately their squad isn't perfect and Wenger seems to ignore the glaring problems the side has. :)

Thing is most Arsenal fans on here never claim that our squad is perfect or that Wenger is perfect. But it gets a bit tiresome week after week when you're met with a wall of text from a certain someone who usually talks 99% rubbish. He comes out with some agreeable comments, but they're few and far between.

Song is a young footballer who can only improve, he's not the worst player to ever kick a football, he picks up a lot of cards and people need to deal with it. We don't play a system that uses a traditional defensive midfielder so we're never going to spend any money on one.

What annoys me is when a certain someone only criticises the team and is virtually incapable of praise. What's the point of supposedly "supporting" a football team when all you can say is how crap you think the squad are and how crap you think the manager is. I wish he'd just shut his ****ing mouth once in a while or at least say something positive.
 
You could try ignore :p Not only will you avoid the drivel, but you'll provably save a good 2-3Gb of bandwidth too :D
 
In a world where we had an ever-expanding squad that never sold/released anyone, sure. But bear in mind that since 2006 we've got rid of Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Campbell, Reyes, Toure, Gilberto, Hleb, Lauren, Cole, Adebayor, Lehmann etc etc. These guys were not on YTS wages, they were earning big bucks and so while other players come through and get new contracts you'd expect them to be replacing the guys that are leaving to some extent.

Clearly in football there is natural wage inflation but I certainly wouldn't put it down to what you describe, if anything you'd expect to see a downward push on wages from a side that was trimming older players in favor of youngsters.


My God looking at your list of the players you have so far sold it looks like Wenger was after chasing the best out of Arsenal. If you add Viera and probably Cesc to the list then every body will see why arsenal is always going to be a good team that will always win northing.
 
Is it true that you let this Guidetti guy go on a free transfer then immediately bought him back?
No,
What we did was let him go then apparently he was about to sign a contract with FC Twente then Mancini asked him to come to America and has since offered him a new contract.
Maybe FC Twente were paid a nominal fee because they maybe had some sort of pre contract agreement but he never officially joined any team.

Of course the media have made it look like we had bought him when really it was just a small fee to stop FC Twente trying to sue Guidetti etc
 
Levy needs to get Rossi in now FFS, get rid of keane, bentley, crouch or defoe, Jenas, let them **** off elsewhere, free up the wages and get in a top class striker.

Sandro being injured is the worst thing that could have happened. Uncertainty around keeping palacios, i'd rather play him over jenas though.

We need new players in, agreed. But Sandro being out for a couple of months isn't the biggest deal in the world. Our midfield isn't our biggest problem. If we lose Palacios and a couple of others and get one or two better players in then I'd be happy as well. But at the moment we're ok.

We've got Thud back now so that's a bonus. But we need to offload without a doubt the likes of: Keane, Bentley, Hutton, dos Santos and one of either Defoe, Crouch or Pav. Personally I think Defoe and Pav should stay as I think we could get a player with similar height to Crouch to win it in the air but somebody more capable of holding the ball up.

Also, we need to get a keeper of our books, probably Alnwick. Can't help but think Kranjcar will go. Would prefer him to stay and Pienaar to go though personally.

And then defense wise we should be ok. BAE and Bale for LB (obviously Bale in midfield when we need him), Corluka RB, with Kaboul, Dawson, Bassong, King and Gallas for CB positions. Kaboul isn't too shabby as cover for RB. We've also go Khumalo and I'd like to see him played at some point in pre-season. Not in south Africa though. I wanted him tested against a European team, such as Athletic Bilbao unless we can get another half decent friendly in against a German or Dutch team.

We've also got Naughton, Walker and Livermore we need to see playing. As well as Rose a little more often as well. He stepped up well at LB at the end of the season and It'd be good to see him progress this season.
 
Thing is most Arsenal fans on here never claim that our squad is perfect or that Wenger is perfect. But it gets a bit tiresome week after week when you're met with a wall of text from a certain someone who usually talks 99% rubbish. He comes out with some agreeable comments, but they're few and far between.

Song is a young footballer who can only improve, he's not the worst player to ever kick a football, he picks up a lot of cards and people need to deal with it. We don't play a system that uses a traditional defensive midfielder so we're never going to spend any money on one.

What annoys me is when a certain someone only criticises the team and is virtually incapable of praise. What's the point of supposedly "supporting" a football team when all you can say is how crap you think the squad are and how crap you think the manager is. I wish he'd just shut his ****ing mouth once in a while or at least say something positive.

What annoys me is that you purposefully ignore all the positive things I say to suit your post, while ignoring the constant drivel of incorrect negative crap you say.

How many players do I say shouldn't be at Arsenal, 5 is it, while the vast majority of Arsenal fans, routinely give Vela, bendtner, half the keepers, Clichy, Arshavin, Eboue, and only more recently Denilson and Diaby constant abuse, but thats ok because if its a opinion held by the majority its not negative is it.

We don't need to spend on a traditional DM, we don't use a traditional DM, what, making excuses for Song's complete lack of ability, happy that we're using the pretty much only promising winger/attacker/messi position type player at the club as a DM to make up for the fact that we don't have a quality DM? Up till he came back from Bolton Wilshire was a winger, flat out, who loved to come inside, shoot, cross, make goals. He's now playing as a DM because Song is SOOO bad.

Never going to have the money to spend on one, more rubbish insane, ridiculous and forgetful excuses, we had THE WORLDS BEST DM at the club who we let go for basically nothing, to let Song take his place, he was still the best DM in the world for another 3 years after he left. Diarra is currently playing a mix between DM and attack at Real Madrid, who spent 20mil on him, we bought him for 2mil, let him go for 5m because at the worst, we were too stupid to play him a little more than sell him. Flamini has since won titles playing a similar role to Song, but he's far better and we let him walk on a free

As for being in the title fight for 90% of the season, we really, really weren't, at all. being in 4 competitions, is something the entire top 6(sometimes 7-8) shares, the ONLY thing that counts is we didn't win a single one of them, the only one we came close to, we lost to a relegated team, who were crap, and we only got to the final because like Arsenal in the past decade, none of the top 5-6 waste their time on it. Why did we lose, a stupid ignorant, incompetant decision like playing a injury risk Cesc in a game we in no way required him to play, right before the final.

Be honest, tell me you think Mourinho, or Fergie, or Ancelloti, or even Redknapp would play Cesc in that game with injury problems against a physical Stoke, right before the most important game in 6 seasons.......... that is as I said, literally an incompetant decision from a manager who no longer has a clue what he's doing.

The graph is also fairly incorrect, I've seen several other ones that put our spending back then at closer to 70mil and 110mil before the start of last season(so add Chamakh, Kos, Squillaci and some new contracts for others to that on top). Does anyone really think we were spending within 2mil of Utd in 2006, bs, and how is being consistantly in the top 4 wage spenders, normally 3rd in the past 6 years, impressive in being in the top 4 in the league? Answer, its not, Spurs getting into the top 4 is a FAR bigger deal on far lower spending, though they had to increase spending pretty large amount, again fairly sure the numbers for Spurs are wrong.
 
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Thing is most Arsenal fans on here never claim that our squad is perfect or that Wenger is perfect. But it gets a bit tiresome week after week when you're met with a wall of text from a certain someone who usually talks 99% rubbish. He comes out with some agreeable comments, but they're few and far between.

Song is a young footballer who can only improve, he's not the worst player to ever kick a football, he picks up a lot of cards and people need to deal with it. We don't play a system that uses a traditional defensive midfielder so we're never going to spend any money on one.

What annoys me is when a certain someone only criticises the team and is virtually incapable of praise. What's the point of supposedly "supporting" a football team when all you can say is how crap you think the squad are and how crap you think the manager is. I wish he'd just shut his ****ing mouth once in a while or at least say something positive.

Most of the things you read has to generally be blatant trolling. At least it seems that way as its always so illogical.

Firstly the "Arsenal haven't won anything for 6 seasons" crack. These comments seem to completely discount Arsenal's history as thats pretty much how its always been. There have always been these gaps (sometimes lasting a lot longer). They also seem to ignore the fact that the stadium has crippled us financially whatever the rumours suggest and we are competing against clubs where the expectation to win something is even greater.

Next the player situation. All teams, even Chelsea and City, have players who are probably not up to it. The difference mostly is that we can't afford to fill our squad with more players who are capable as opposed to the ones you only turn to if you have too.

There is also the implication that it is very easy to buy those 2 or 3 players that will make the difference. When you look at the market generally this doesn't seem to be the case at all. Arsene even said recently that signing Koscielny from France was a nightmare and it almost didn't go through.

Seaman stated that we did try to sign Reina when the rumours were going around for example. Whatever the reason was that we didn't sign him, it shows that the club does try to buy the players we all think we need. I think the problem here is that we won't go as crazy on fee's and wages as some do.

Spurs, ManU and even City seem to be struggling to sign who their fans feel they need at the moment. It's not unusual at all.

The most amazing are the attacks on Wenger. He is stubborn and like all humans has faults but this guy loves Arsenal. He recently said that when he goes to sleep he is thinking about Arsenal as he is when he wakes up. People get caught up in this financial thing and forget that he absolutely loves the club. I personally think what he has achieved in the last 6 seasons is greater than what he did when he first came to us as this team is his team he is building whereas a lot of the old squad were inherited. When you throw in the stadium it's remarkable really. So we haven't won any trophies. Well, so what really. He certainly isn't close to breaking any records in that regard. I can only imagine the furor for his signature should he ever become available.

Anyway thats a crap load of text sorry. I just feel that the people posting about Arsenal's short-comings don't think first as this cup drought is really nothing new at all. That's all people seem to see though.
 
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