Prince Andrew not served papers as they were handed to his police security.

Game · 5 Jan 2022 at 16:22

Chris Wilson said:
I think Trump preferred to "grab" the more mature women, isn't it "Creepy Joe" that seems to have a penchant for caressing and sniffing very young girls? He's probably relieved to have lost the Creepy Joe moniker and accepted Sleepy Joe, if his declining faculties still allow comprehension of that sort of thing. But YouTube retains visual evidence of his suspect behaviour to young girls and women...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY

My missus said how can be the new president he looks like a walking corpse and should be on her hospital ward

Hotwired · 5 Jan 2022 at 16:40

Game said:
My missus said how can be the new president he looks like a walking corpse and should be on her hospital ward

Well... the UK thought it was a good idea to make Churchill prime minister again at the age of 76 after he had several strokes and was known to be in bad health not just old. Then he had a crippling stroke while in office.

I dare say Biden is in better actual health despite being a few years older.

Game · 5 Jan 2022 at 16:56

He also looked like a walking corpse at the time

Energize · 9 Jan 2022 at 17:32

Sankari said:
Yes, but there must have been a point at which her lawyer suggested a plea bargain. And now she's been convicted she has little to lose by pointing the finger at PA, so if she doesn't do it now, that's very useful to his defence.

If she's appealing the conviction she's not going to give up information on Andrew.

hurfdurf said:
Prince Andrew's attorney is arguing the NY law extending the statute of limitations to give victims of child sexual abuse more time to sue is unconstitutional.

He doesn't just want to block Virginia's access to justice. He wants to block ALL child sexual abuse victims' access. A pathetic and evil move, Andrew is evil for allowing him to make such a defence, and only the guilty would stoop so low.

I actually agree with you for once, any reasonable civilised person would not want to destroy the possibility of justice for sex abuse victims over the possibility of losing money in a civil lawsuit, there are some roads you just don't go down if you're not a sex offender.

For me, the available evidence puts Andrew as guilty on the balance of probability, the testimony, the interview, his continued association with Epstein post-conviction.

While guilt by association is a logical fallacy the degree of suspicion that Andrew was complicit given that no non-nonce would hang out with a convicted sex offender is beyond measure.

hurfdurf · 9 Jan 2022 at 18:47

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480029523055943682

Holy crap. This is who the bbc had on as their commentator. Utter corruption runs deep.

Chris Wilson · 9 Jan 2022 at 19:18

As lawyers go, if I could afford him he'd be around the top on my phone's fast dial. If you want a good brief, pick a Jewish one, they are the best, no argument. What a client list, love or hate `em. I wonder what he's on an hour?

Latter day George Carman?

StriderX · 9 Jan 2022 at 19:46

Didn't seem to help Epstein much.

Chris Wilson · 9 Jan 2022 at 20:54

StriderX said:
Didn't seem to help Epstein much.

He's a lawyer, not a miracle worker, but as lawyers go he's got a pretty darn good success rate in, err, how shall I put it, "difficult" cases

dowie · 12 Jan 2022 at 14:48

Case... not dismissed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59871514

Prince Andrew has failed in his bid to get a civil case which alleges he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre dismissed by a US judge.

Ms Giuffre is suing the prince claiming he abused her when she was 17.

His lawyers said the case should be thrown out, citing a 2009 deal she signed with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. But a New York judge ruled that the claim could be heard.

inferno · 12 Jan 2022 at 14:49

Andrew is an idiot but can you imagine if we tried to get a senior American to come over and face trial , it wouldn’t happen. Tell the Americans to shove it.

UK has thrown so many brits under the bus to go and face trial in the US.

CapitalOne · 12 Jan 2022 at 14:52

Randy Andy handy operandi fancy brandy?

I bet he does now!

dowie · 12 Jan 2022 at 14:54

inferno said:
Andrew is an idiot but can you imagine if we tried to get a senior American to come over and face trial , it wouldn’t happen. Tell the Americans to shove it.

UK has thrown so many brits under the bus to go and face trial in the US.

It's a civil case though... he doesn't have to go over there necessarily. He's not being charged or arrested or deported here.

Hotwired · 12 Jan 2022 at 14:57

inferno said:
Andrew is an idiot but can you imagine if we tried to get a senior American to come over and face trial , it wouldn’t happen. Tell the Americans to shove it.

UK has thrown so many brits under the bus to go and face trial in the US.

Yeah when the US government asks. But how many people get exported for a private money grab case that has no accompanying criminal case.

All he has to do is never visit america again.

Werewolf · 12 Jan 2022 at 15:57

Hotwired said:
Yeah when the US government asks. But how many people get exported for a private money grab case that has no accompanying criminal case.

All he has to do is never visit america again.

And have no assets in America, or do any work for or with any American company.

If you lose a case in an American court they can from memory basically go after any assets you have that are held for you by anyone or any company that is based in (or possibly just has offices in) the US, in addition to any potential attempts to recoup the money via international agreements/foreign courts.
So he likely wouldn't be able to do any work for any american companies (IIRC he has various business ventures with American partners), or have any money in American banks without it being at risk of being seized to pay if he loses the case.
He's not some numpty who has skipped the country with a debt of a few hundred dollars, if he loses the case there is going to more than enough incentive (especially as the costs of recovering any compensation would likely be added to the amount) to make it extremely likely that the lawyers will use every avenue to collect.

One of the stupid things is that his utterly ridiculous attempts to avoid even receiving the paperwork has made it if anything far more high profile than it would have been, and that interview he did was so bad that I saw lawyers who were pretty much saying "does he even have legal advisors?".
He's always been a bit of an embarrassment to the Royals* (far worse than Harry ever was), and he's just making it worse.

*Spitting image in the 80's knew of and mocked his reputation with a song from memory.

Semple · 12 Jan 2022 at 16:04

Werewolf said:
And have no assets in America, or do any work for or with any American company.

If you lose a case in an American court they can from memory basically go after any assets you have that are held for you by anyone or any company that is based in (or possibly just has offices in) the US, in addition to any potential attempts to recoup the money via international agreements/foreign courts.
So he likely wouldn't be able to do any work for any american companies (IIRC he has various business ventures with American partners), or have any money in American banks without it being at risk of being seized to pay if he loses the case.
He's not some numpty who has skipped the country with a debt of a few hundred dollars, if he loses the case there is going to more than enough incentive (especially as the costs of recovering any compensation would likely be added to the amount) to make it extremely likely that the lawyers will use every avenue to collect.

One of the stupid things is that his utterly ridiculous attempts to avoid even receiving the paperwork has made it if anything far more high profile than it would have been, and that interview he did was so bad that I saw lawyers who were pretty much saying "does he even have legal advisors?".
He's always been a bit of an embarrassment to the Royals* (far worse than Harry ever was), and he's just making it worse.

*Spitting image in the 80's knew of and mocked his reputation with a song from memory.

From the recent news about having to sell his chalet at a bit of a loss, and the Queen is likely to end up having to stump up for his legal/compensation fees, it sounds like this could royally bankrupt him (excuse the pun).

Trig · 12 Jan 2022 at 16:08

inferno said:
Andrew is an idiot but can you imagine if we tried to get a senior American to come over and face trial , it wouldn’t happen. Tell the Americans to shove it.

UK has thrown so many brits under the bus to go and face trial in the US.

Senior American, hell, we couldn't even get the wife of someone in the military over for a simple hit and run...

Gerard · 12 Jan 2022 at 16:34

Semple said:
From the recent news about having to sell his chalet at a bit of a loss, and the Queen is likely to end up having to stump up for his legal/compensation fees, it sounds like this could royally bankrupt him (excuse the pun).

Having to rely on mummy to bail him out, what a joke. :cry:

bingham67 · 12 Jan 2022 at 21:44

Why not go and fight it if you have nothing to hide? on the flip side why the women accepting cash to shut it up if she been abused.

mattyg · 12 Jan 2022 at 22:07

bingham67 said:
Why not go and fight it if you have nothing to hide? on the flip side why the women accepting cash to shut it up if she been abused.

Cost being one reason.
Doubt he'll get legal aid or a decent Pro bono lawyer.

They'll end up settling OOC... She's no innocent party. She's done the same as GM although will claim she was coerced

Blackjack Davy · 12 Jan 2022 at 23:01

inferno said:
Andrew is an idiot but can you imagine if we tried to get a senior American to come over and face trial , it wouldn’t happen. Tell the Americans to shove it.

UK has thrown so many brits under the bus to go and face trial in the US.

Yeah that'd never happen if they killed someone on our roads and fled to the US and refused trial/extradition... oh wait