Prison Life

Oh boo hoo. Scumbag is in jail because 'society failed him'. More like he was an abusive delinquent at school because he CHOSE to be. He sold drugs because he CHOSE to. He stole cars because he CHOSE to. He glassed someone for looking at him because he CHOSE to. He's in prison because he CHOSE to take the risk.

Why did he choose to be a delinquent? Why did he choose to sell drugs? Why did he choose to steal cars? etcetc

It's very easy to just look at the choice and started handing out punishments. Instead, why not look at the reasons WHY they make those choices? Why those choices make much more sense than the others? Look at their environment, their upbringing, their circumstances, their education, their wealth, etc.

Unfortunately those with little understanding or care will retort with "Well x was abused etc and never went on to commit crimes" - which is all fine and well, but people are different. People respond in different ways to different stimuli as a matter of fact.
 
Advertised my Dads 32inch wide screen CRT Panasonic last year, pick up only and no cost on gumtree.

Received 15 replies in 2 days, a young German couple picked it up and were very grateful for the TV :)
 
Been in pretty much every prison in Yorkshire and some further north doing the IT for a few years. I wouldnt want to be in there. Locked up for 20+hrs in your tiny cell, even with all the TV & console in the world it would still drive me nuts. Longest i spent in a cell was around 5hrs when it all kicked off in Full Sutton and the guard just threw me in the cell and locked the door for my own safety whilst they sorted it out.
 
Aint read all this thread ... donno how it’s got on to TV’s but anyway this guy that goes to my gym who I sometimes speak too hadn’t been around for ages, I asked him where he had been and he said prison! He said he needed to do some serious exercise because all he had been doing is playing on the playstation all day and he was only aloud 1hr of exercise per day :eek::confused:
 
Things like that aren't just provided willy-nilly for every prisoner, they are given as incentives for good behaviour, and even then you aren't just given them, you actually have to 'earn' money to 'buy' them through prison jobs, at least that's how it worked 15 years a go.

Yep thats what people don't understand and any bad behaviour and you can kiss it good bye!

They (PS2, TV etc) are used as tools to keep prisoners calm because without things to occupy them then I'm sure it'll make Prison Officers jobs a WHOLE lot more stressful.
 
uh oh. a scumbag criminal is posting.....

Thanks very much for posting your story and experience. May I ask a few questions?

1: How have you found having prison time on your record has affected your chances on the outside - for instance when applying for a job?

2: Has your time in prison acted as a detterent? I understand your circumstances were a bit special and you basically lost your temper - but generally - would your knowledge of what it is like inside make you think twice?

3: Whats the temperature & smell like in prison? Strange question but i imagine it must be *** fully star out swearies in future *** awful when you first walk through the door on a hot summers day.

4: What are the first few days like?

5: How would you improve the prison service?
 
That blog post was very interesting, wish there was more of it, although the guy caused serious damage to someone I hope his time went quickly as he appeared to show remorse for what he had done.
 
There was a thread on I think pistonheads forums where some guy posted up a very in depth account of prison life he experienced. It was very detailed. I might try to go and find it.
 
When you're dealing with criminals, normal behaviour is good behaviour.

Sadly that is true but surely you can understand why that would wind up 99 percent of normal people who don't cause problems and live a normal life but they don't get any special treatment or incentives its just expected of them ... which is why it should be expected of criminals to improve their behaviour not congratulate them with toys.

It is the same in schools. Kids that behave and are able are ignored throughout their school life yet the trouble makers that for once do something right get praised! That's not right in my eyes.
 
Sadly that is true but surely you can understand why that would wind up 99 percent of normal people who don't cause problems and live a normal life but they don't get any special treatment or incentives its just expected of them ... which is why it should be expected of criminals to improve their behaviour not congratulate them with toys.

When you're a working adult, you buy your own rewards with the money you're making doing a job, which is part of being a good citizen. When you're in prison, there needs to be a comparable reward. It's flawed to say that they are getting a Playstation for free, or whatever, when the quid pro quo is that they're living in a box with a bunch of criminals with no opportunities to do what normal people do. You have to work with what you've got.

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It is the same in schools. Kids that behave and are able are ignored throughout their school life yet the trouble makers that for once do something right get praised! That's not right in my eyes.

That depends on the school, I think.
 
There was a thread on I think pistonheads forums where some guy posted up a very in depth account of prison life he experienced. It was very detailed. I might try to go and find it.

That was the blog I posted on the first page.
 
I generally don't bring attention to this fact - neither would I deny it, though - but I spent 3.5 years in prison (released in December, 2005) for white collar crime - twenty-two counts of fraud to be precise. It was from a bank and, being in a jurisdiction that relies heavily upon the finance industry, they tend to treat financial crime fairly harshly. Not that I'm complaining! I deserved my punishment!

Prison is a truly bizarre place and it is difficult to explain how it is a mixture of easy and downright impossible. Day to day life is fairly straightforward in that you have shelter, food, warmth etc. So, to those who struggle on the outside, it is often deemed a safe haven. On the flip side, those who have a life outside - families, children, whatever - the separation is incredibly difficult to cope with.

The prison in which I was incarcerated had to cater for all categories of prisoner plus youths and women - so it was slightly unusual by UK standards. Everyone starts off going to the main wing (probably similar to a UK cat B) unless you are considered vulnerable – either from yourself or from others – in which case you go straight to the VPU. You then have the possibility of being moved to “better accommodation” but only as you move more towards the end of your sentence. Ultimately, those closest to release, if they have behaved and passed drug swabs for a significant period, are allowed day release for work.

Whilst not something I would wish to repeat, it gave some fascinating (well, to me) insights on life.

The thing that stood out the most was how prison life blighted youth through the revolving door effect. A huge proportion of the inmate population had started their prison life as a youth. They had done something minor or stupid (probably drug or alcohol related) and ended up with a few weeks in prison. But because of this they could not get a job. They were also exposed to criminality on a much larger scale than they had experienced previously. As a result, (a) it was nigh on impossible for them to survive on the outside through lawful means; and (b) those with whom they now associated would generally be old friends from the prison. So their future was set and would be terribly difficult to break free from – they would continue their criminal ways, occasionally get caught, go back inside, be released, continue etc etc. This was especially so for those involved in drugs. Of those that I have met, very few seem to have had the ability to break free from this cycle.

Perhaps the scariest thing about prison, though, was the paranoia that it breeds and, as a result, violence is rife. Basically, if you walked past someone and they did not acknowledge you, your mind automatically goes into overdrive. The reality is that they were probably distracted, thinking about something else or whatever. But the paranoid mind starts to think “why did they ignore me, what have I done to upset them” and soon proceeds to “what if they are planning to attack me” and ultimately reaches “I’d better get them first”. So what started as an innocent slight easily develops into a stabbing or another stair tripping incident. This may sound extreme but, having been on the receiving end, I can guarantee this actually happens.

I could go on for ages about my experiences but I doubt they would be considered very interesting! What I would say is that if you have to urinate in a bucket, make sure you check it first. A favoured practical joke was to fill buckets with bleach so when someone urinates, there is a chemical reaction which creates horrendous fumes – in a rather confined space.

Thanks very much for posting your story and experience. May I ask a few questions?

1: How have you found having prison time on your record has affected your chances on the outside - for instance when applying for a job?

2: Has your time in prison acted as a detterent? I understand your circumstances were a bit special and you basically lost your temper - but generally - would your knowledge of what it is like inside make you think twice?

3: Whats the temperature & smell like in prison? Strange question but i imagine it must be *** fully star out swearies in future *** awful when you first walk through the door on a hot summers day.

4: What are the first few days like?

5: How would you improve the prison service?

1. Unsurprisingly, I have not managed to get back into the finance industry! But I do now have a senior management position in a different area. Initially, it was very difficult to find any employment but once you get a step on the ladder, it gets a little easier. Admittedly, I was very highly qualified and, more importantly, willing to offer my services cheaply just to get a position. So I expect I am the exception rather than the rule.

2. I found myself in unique circumstances when I committed my crimes. I think the separation element certainly left a lasting impression but I do not believe that prison works as a deterrent for the majority of the prison population. Many would have been high or plastered when committing their offence, the remainder simply didn’t believe they would get caught.

3. I actually don’t recall. My arrival was an horrendous experience but the thing that I remember more than anything else was wondering why the prison officer escorting me to my cell had not offered to help carry my things! I was so naïve!

4. Again, I don’t really recall but, as a newcomer, you tend to be the centre of attention for a while as people check you out and try to find out a bit more about you. I thought they were all being friendly but, of course, that was not an accurate assumption.

5. That would take too long to say. But the key, to my mind, would be to focus on restorative measures together with education and rehabilitation.
 
Is rpae rare? unlikely?

Is it ssafe to shower? Can you shower alone?

Also, can you get your own cell. Id hate to share with others.

Not that I plan jail, just curious
 
Why did he choose to be a delinquent? Why did he choose to sell drugs? Why did he choose to steal cars? etcetc

It's very easy to just look at the choice and started handing out punishments. Instead, why not look at the reasons WHY they make those choices? Why those choices make much more sense than the others? Look at their environment, their upbringing, their circumstances, their education, their wealth, etc.

Unfortunately those with little understanding or care will retort with "Well x was abused etc and never went on to commit crimes" - which is all fine and well, but people are different. People respond in different ways to different stimuli as a matter of fact.

Commit a crime, be found guilty then you should do time. Spend time and money working out the why's , what's, when's for every case then the legal costs will be skyhigh and the time for the case to get concluded will drag on which is not good for the accused or the victim. If people are proven to do wrong they get punished, save your caring and concern for the victims/businesses/families etc who just to want exist. If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh too much nambypampy carebear good doers who have their priorities wrong imo
 
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Commit a crime, be found guilty then you should do time. Spend time and money working out the why's , what's, when's for every case then the legal costs will be skyhigh and the time for the case to get concluded will drag on which is not good for the accused or the victim. If people are proven to do wrong they get punished, save your caring and concern for the victims/businesses/families etc who just to want exist. If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh too much nambypampy carebear good doers who have their priorities wrong imo

There's a balance to be struck. People are responsible for their crimes, yes. Society is also responsible for disenfranchising people to the point that they turn to crime.
 
There's a balance to be struck. People are responsible for their crimes, yes. Society is also responsible for disenfranchising people to the point that they turn to crime.

Another way of looking at it could be it's people who are carrying out crimes are the ones that are responsible for the decline in society. It's easier for some people to rob and scrounge than it is get off their arse an earn a living.

People will say it's because they cant get jobs, but theres always jobs out there, always an opportunity to be found but they cant be arsed and think they're too good for jobs available.
 
too much nambypampy carebear good doers who have their priorities wrong imo

Yes, tackling the cause of crime is definitely a wrong priority. Trying to better mankind, yep, wrong priority.

:rolleyes:

Typical commoner thug mentality. Find it too difficult to understand the concept of prevention rather than cure, too guided by emotion to realise that simply punishing people isn't going to solve crime problems.

You seem to think just because I believe in a better society, where we try to prevent crime at the root, rather than simply flushing society's rejects down the toilet, that I don't think that criminals should have a difficult time in prison, and that I'm ignoring the grief of those outside who have been affected. What I'm not doing is simply rushing to appease them out of some misguided emotional response.

People will say it's because they cant get jobs, but theres always jobs out there, always an opportunity to be found but they cant be arsed and think they're too good for jobs available.

That is so much ********. Yes, there are plenty of people out there who can't be bothered and do think they're too good. But there are MANY people out there who try as hard as they can to look for work, who spend day-in-day out looking for work that will provide for them/their families.

Get your head out of the sky, mate, it's not just a matter of "Look for job, find job".

Perhaps if you bothered to understand human behaviour and why people do things, you'd understand that the world isn't so black and white.
 
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